Skittles cloning?

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Another important thing is to keep the air inside the dome close to 75F and keep all vents closed for the first week at least. For accuracy I use an ITC-308 with a heat mat. Also, keeping light minimal, I like to keep the T5's at least a foot away from the dome, and only one lamp per tray. Any more will force too much transpiration and cause them to wilt.
 
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Exactly, im paranoid about the air thing, but ive kept cuttings in a ziploc with nothing on them except a spray of water on the kitchen table for 4 days, then rooted them no problem
In fact im completely sure it dosent matter as i recently made a salad sandwich and threw the clones in the sandwich and drove them 9 hours , next day, started em as usuall, 9 days later ....roots and no problems
So im going to challenge the " cleanliness" issue also....
 
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stanknugzz77 said:
That is how I was taught as well, but I also think that might be one of a milion other myths when it comes to growing cannabis. I have sent/received cuttings that have only a wet paper towel wrapped around te stems. There has to be a little bit of air getting into the stem at some point in transit. I have always disliked how much misinformation is spread and just blindly taken as fact in our lovely community. Positive vibes...

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Embolism is possible for sure, especially with dullish scissors. Squish the stem when its cut and as it opens up again it draws air into the vascular system. Think of it like a wet sponge, squish and release and it sucks in air. Cut it cleanly with a razor and it doesnt. So Its far less likely with a clean new razor or very sharp scissors that dont squish the stem, but I still do it underwater just to be safe. Once the end has dried a bit in the rooter it will basically scab over. It's really just those couple seconds after it's been cut that is the make or break for giving it an embolism. After that, a wrap in wet paper towel is fine
 
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MIMedGrower said:
If air is actually a problem of it gets in a cut how bout when we top the main stem?
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Not a problem exactly. We arent trying to convert undifferentiated cells into roots up there. A little dieback wont kill the plant. But the same principles apply, a rough cut wont heal as well as a clean cut will.
Plus it's on the outflow end of the plant, water moves primarily in one direction through the plant, nutrient solution will be pushed out the cut if anything, until it scabs over.
 
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Dirtbag said:
Not a problem exactly. We arent trying to convert undifferentiated cells into roots up there. A little dieback wont kill the plant. But the same principles apply, a rough cut wont heal as well as a clean cut will.
Plus it's on the outflow end of the plant, water moves primarily in one direction through the plant, nutrient solution will be pushed out the cut if anything, until it scabs over.
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Wow. I was being a bit sarcastic because the stem is not under water or air tight if rooting in plug or soil or perlite or something but really good point you have there. :-)
 
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Dirtbag said:
Embolism is possible for sure, especially with dullish scissors. Squish the stem when its cut and as it opens up again it draws air into the vascular system. Think of it like a wet sponge, squish and release and it sucks in air. Cut it cleanly with a razor and it doesnt. So Its far less likely with a clean new razor or very sharp scissors that dont squish the stem, but I still do it underwater just to be safe. Once the end has dried a bit in the rooter it will basically scab over. It's really just those couple seconds after it's been cut that is the make or break for giving it an embolism. After that, a wrap in wet paper towel is fine
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Yea, thats why i said to cut the stems a little extra long with the scissors, that way im not concerned about the crush factor with the initial removal off the plant, after the scissor cut, i put the individual clone on the table and give it a razor sharp, cut, with either a razor blade or my super sharp knife, after that its usually a very gentle scrape of about 1/4 inch along the stalk to remove a bit of the skin, i dont do the notch on the bottom as i think sliding the cut into the rooter might squash or split too aggressively, then a dip into clone x and insert into already slippery hole that i made with the rod.....
 
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Dirtbag said:
Embolism is possible for sure, especially with dullish scissors. Squish the stem when its cut and as it opens up again it draws air into the vascular system. Think of it like a wet sponge, squish and release and it sucks in air. Cut it cleanly with a razor and it doesnt. So Its far less likely with a clean new razor or very sharp scissors that dont squish the stem, but I still do it underwater just to be safe. Once the end has dried a bit in the rooter it will basically scab over. It's really just those couple seconds after it's been cut that is the make or break for giving it an embolism. After that, a wrap in wet paper towel is fine
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I feel you and I always use a razor blade and I usually take cuttings and then cut them a second time underwater just to be on the safe side, but can you find any credible sources that state that embolism is a concern with cuttings from any plants, not just cannabis? I can't find any scientific study that supports or denies it. Positive vibes...

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Then into the dome, and cut the leaf by approx 1/3 also with super scissor, next i spray one or two shots of water into dome
,by the way , do not plut wet plugs into box, i either use them straight from the already moist rooter bag, or you can soak them in warm water and do a squeeze to a medium moist ..
 
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Next, set tray in dim room lit area, to chill em of the shock they just went thru
Not literally chill, ...75,.80 is good
Light at this stage is of no importance, they can bascially stay anywhere for a day or two, in fact ,like dirtbag said... i keep my tray about 3 feet from a stack of t5 flouros
Not really closer, for at least 3 to 4 days
 
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Then on day 2 throughout, open dome completely, just for a min , fan in some fresh air, put dome back on top, i like to spray top part of dome with fresh moisture and fan back and forth everyday,, sometimes twice a day, and you can spritz the plants with a fine mist also.....
Just dont let em steam up too hot....
 
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stanknugzz77 said:
I feel you and I always use a razor blade and I usually take cuttings and then cut them a second time underwater just to be on the safe side, but can you find any credible sources that state that embolism is a concern with cuttings from any plants, not just cannabis? I can't find any scientific study that supports or denies it. Positive vibes...

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I'm kinda busy today man but I'll see if I can find something on it later. I just remember how I was taught to do it in school over 20 years ago. Xylem cavitation is a very real thing, and when it happens to a plant that has no root system and a giant open wound it can be fatal.
 
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After you are confident that they are fairly stable, in otherwords not drooping over like the entire stalk is damaged by the ordeal, it happens sometimes, if the clones are all upright, then crack the lid, or take it off for 1 hour, the clones will droop, and the idea now is to let them droop and slowly recover by putting the dome back on, play this game on and off for a few hours a day, lid on lid off 2 3 4 hours increasing by day 5/ 6 to completely remove the dome also get closer light
source and monitor their reaction, should be good and strong by day 7 or 8 could also take 10 to 14 days,

Also spray them as they are getting stronger with the lid off as you progress, then on about day 7 or 8 i stream a big shot of water with a sprayer directly in the hole of the rapid rooter, that way the Clone understands that outside the dome world is brutal, and the happy place is the wet plug area, usually that message sends an immediate burst of roots going, and all is good
 
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Of course i've seen noobies and other folks just tear up plants and stick them in aero cloners and hydro systems, and have sucess, placing the cuttings into the clone machine and leaving the fresh cut plant exposed to the open air, but i dont have room or experience with that, i mean ive cut some stalks and dropped them in a cup of water in summer and they rooted......
Just explaining how i do it, and the sucess rate is great....
Also you might want to, not feed your mom plant a few days before making cuts, but not sure bout that either....
 
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1diesel1 said:
She has to be the most difficult I’ve ever cloned.
anyone found a system for good results, IE-temps, RH, any method or suggestions would be appreciated.
So far I’ve only tried rapid rooter cubes with 2 out of 12 survival rate.
She’s a picky bitch and loves her nutrients.View attachment 931200
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Also try some of the lower stalks, not the tops, try the ones you wouldent expect to be the best choice, those lower cuts have stronger skin on them
 
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Dirtbag said:
I'm kinda busy today man but I'll see if I can find something on it later. I just remember how I was taught to do it in school over 20 years ago. Xylem cavitation is a very real thing, and when it happens to a plant that has no root system and a giant open wound it can be fatal.
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I truly appreciate the effort whenever you get a chance, but definitely don't go out of your way too much for it. Again I have just searched for credible sources regarding the matter numerous times to no avail. I would appreciate finding a credible source no matter which method it endorsed as long as it was factual. Positive vibes...

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stanknugzz77 said:
I truly appreciate the effort whenever you get a chance, but definitely don't go out of your way too much for it. Again I have just searched for credible sources regarding the matter numerous times to no avail. I would appreciate finding a credible source no matter which method it endorsed as long as it was factual. Positive vibes...

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For sure. There may not be much out there on it honestly.

When you think of what you are doing taking a cutting though it makes sense. The idea is to stop or pause transpiration and vascular flow of nutrient solution within the plant stem so the plant retains enough water to survive the rooting process. We make a clean cut preferably during the dark period because the plant isnt chugging water through its xylem, and immediately put it into a high humidity environment because the plant has no ability to uptake water. If a cutting is taken during active transpiration and less than sharp tools are used it can lead to air being drawn into the stem, which results in poor rooting success rates. Unless of course, you make a second cut under water and put it in the dark in a glass of water to stabilize and stop transpiring. That's another trick i often use is to put them all in a cup of water in total darkness in a humidity dome for 12hrs before dipping in gel and putting them in plugs in the tray. It softens the stem and ensures the cutting is properly hydrated and not transpiring much.
 
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1diesel1 said:
@dire wolf Everyone’s input has been great. Please feel free to respond to any and all threads as you feel appropriate to the topic:)
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I must have missed something? lol Last I checked someone mentioned a method of cloning in coco with no dome. That's another way of doing it... I'm not going to say it doesnt work because it will, again only if the coco is kept fully saturated daily. I just think inside a dome with reduced transportation is a safer bet. I never mist my cuttings and dont recommend it either, dome or no dome. I've taken tens of thousands of cuttings and always had close to 100% success following a few basic rules. In rapid rooters I get roots in 7 days give or take.

But we should really be open to having an adult discussion about this stuff without people getting so holier than thou and hung up on their method as being the supreme method and all the others are shit lol.. I detected a tone in the deleted post that suggested everything DW or I said is bad info and cloning in coco with no dome is the right way.. There is no "right way", but there are things that can lead to poor success rates. And I'm happy to debate and defend anything I've posted. Likewise I'm happy to concede when there is a better way or if something I've said is incorrect.
 
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Dirtbag said:
I must have missed something? lol Last I checked someone mentioned a method of cloning in coco with no dome. That's another way of doing it... I'm not going to say it doesnt work because it will, again only if the coco is kept fully saturated daily. I just think inside a dome with reduced transportation is a safer bet. I never mist my cuttings and dont recommend it either, dome or no dome. I've taken tens of thousands of cuttings and always had close to 100% success following a few basic rules. In rapid rooters I get roots in 7 days give or take.

But we should really be open to having an adult discussion about this stuff without people getting so holier than thou and hung up on their method as being the supreme method and all the others are shit lol.. I detected a tone in the deleted post that suggested everything DW or I said is bad info and cloning in coco with no dome is the right way.. There is no "right way", but there are things that can lead to poor success rates. And I'm happy to debate and defend anything I've posted. Likewise I'm happy to concede when there is a better way or if something I've said is incorrect.
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Its the surrounding environment that decides what works and doesnt work for all of us.
 
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