Best Organic Fertiliser for soil grow

GnarlyC · Jan 22, 2020

Hi peeps,

I have some large girls that are fading from the bottom up. They are all in various stages of bloom phase most only week 1-2. What is the best organic all round fertiliser for bloom cycle? I use worm juice but they appear to need more nutes.

I have used expensive organic liquid fertilisers and cheap alternatives but find it very hard to find the right dose. Would prefer a slow release low maintenance option to feed these girls.they are outdoor organic plants. Northern Lights, Hollands Hope and Strawberry Cough.
Any help or guidance appreciated.

oldskol4evr · Jan 22, 2020

how are you mixing you nutrients? how about a pic of full plant first,then we can tell better what you need

GnarlyC · Jan 23, 2020

In a watering can. These ones are outdoor. Also using worm juice weekly but never enough to go around. I’ll take some pics tomorrow as it’s getting dark here.

zzzybil · Jan 23, 2020

$10 50 lb BAG OF FEED STORE crushed oyster shells - half to the chickens , half in the rain barrel............... ( justa noob but my guess that milky water when stirred is chock fulla calcium and micro whatever ) one of these days i'll figure out the ppm etc - spring is comming

GnarlyC · Jan 23, 2020

Left two are Northern Lights, next two are Hollands Hope and Strawberry Cough on far right. Scrog are clones of these three

GnarlyC · Jan 23, 2020

Also, I have never seen a plan develop like the strawberry cough lowest branch has almost mature buds but upper branches still very immature...any idea what causes this?

oldskol4evr · Jan 23, 2020

GnarlyC said:
Hi peeps,

I have some large girls that are fading from the bottom up. They are all in various stages of bloom phase most only week 1-2. What is the best organic all round fertiliser for bloom cycle? I use worm juice but they appear to need more nutes.

I have used expensive organic liquid fertilisers and cheap alternatives but find it very hard to find the right dose. Would prefer a slow release low maintenance option to feed these girls.they are outdoor organic plants. Northern Lights, Hollands Hope and Strawberry Cough.
Any help or guidance appreciated.

id say your best option would be buy a 33 gal trash can,a good commercial air pump,and make tea once a week to feed them and if they need water in between so be it water,but feed once week
this is what i do indoors but would still apply outdoors
fungal tea one week
next week bacterial tea
next week humbolt secrets 2 part organic nutes
repeat,like i said in between i just water,just something to think about,with those plants right there id say you need to be feeding them right about 1000ppm,i believe that do them good,even outdoors you can control what goes in to some point,if the rain and heat aint braking down your plants feed them by the hannah scale,but with tea i dont think you could go wrong,when you make tea you are making concentrate also so you will dilute your tea to satify your plant needs at the stage of growth they are,so some what control outside hahahah

GnarlyC · Jan 23, 2020

Plan=plant

oldskol4evr said:
id say your best option would be buy a 33 gal trash can,a good commercial air pump,and make tea once a week to feed them and if they need water in between so be it water,but feed once week
this is what i do indoors but would still apply outdoors
fungal tea one week
next week bacterial tea
next week humbolt secrets 2 part organic nutes
repeat,like i said in between i just water,just something to think about,with those plants right there id say you need to be feeding them right about 1000ppm,i believe that do them good,even outdoors you can control what goes in to some point,if the rain and heat aint braking down your plants feed them by the hannah scale,but with tea i dont think you could go wrong,when you make tea you are making concentrate also so you will dilute your tea to satify your plant needs at the stage of growth they are,so some what control outside hahahah

GnarlyC · Jan 23, 2020

What’s fungal tea?

GnarlyC · Jan 23, 2020

GnarlyC said:
Plan=plant

Thanks for you advice I will definitely give this a go. I have a pump and trash can and can make worm tea. How do I make fungal tea?

Clephane1 · Jan 24, 2020

If in the UK or EU could try to use our custom blended premixed organic fertiliser from Living Soils

oldskol4evr · Jan 24, 2020

fungal tea
2 pounds fungal compost,meaning manures and your basic compost,even compost from your yards
3-4 tbsp humic acid
2 tbsp yucca extract
4 tsp dry kelp or 2tbsp liquid kelp
4-5 tsp of fish hydrolysate<<<<this is not same as emulsions

bacterail tea
1.5 lbs bacterial compost or vermicompost,more humus i nit the better,your looking for a live compost in other words,the difrence from fungal is it is mainly greens and manures,the bacterail is shooting for more forest type huimus
3-4 tbsp black strap molases
2 tbsp liquid kelp or 4tsp of dry kelp
3-4 tsp of fish EMULSIONS

both these recipe are for 10 gal of water,i usally go 24 to 36 hours bubbling,i dont have a microscope
when it is done you can put your ppm meter in it to see how much you need to dilute it for what stage your plants are at,dilute and feed

i feed fungal once week and water if needed during week,
bacterail the next week same water during week
next weekend i feed humbolt secret nutreints what ever you usally feed works the same,so shift um up feed the teas once a week and let your soil work for you instead of feeding the plant,let the plant take from the soil instead
hope this helps ,im liking it,mainly cause the tea is a lot cheaper to make than buying expensive nutrients and the tea does a better job in my opinion,my plants are 5 weeks in flower and i still dont have a tip burn,thats a big acomplisment for me hahahah
good luck hope this helps,all the products can be obtained locally even over seas i believe

GnarlyC · Jan 27, 2020

oldskol4evr said:
fungal tea
2 pounds fungal compost,meaning manures and your basic compost,even compost from your yards
3-4 tbsp humic acid
2 tbsp yucca extract
4 tsp dry kelp or 2tbsp liquid kelp
4-5 tsp of fish hydrolysate<<<<this is not same as emulsions

bacterail tea
1.5 lbs bacterial compost or vermicompost,more humus i nit the better,your looking for a live compost in other words,the difrence from fungal is it is mainly greens and manures,the bacterail is shooting for more forest type huimus
3-4 tbsp black strap molases
2 tbsp liquid kelp or 4tsp of dry kelp
3-4 tsp of fish EMULSIONS

both these recipe are for 10 gal of water,i usally go 24 to 36 hours bubbling,i dont have a microscope
when it is done you can put your ppm meter in it to see how much you need to dilute it for what stage your plants are at,dilute and feed

i feed fungal once week and water if needed during week,
bacterail the next week same water during week
next weekend i feed humbolt secret nutreints what ever you usally feed works the same,so shift um up feed the teas once a week and let your soil work for you instead of feeding the plant,let the plant take from the soil instead
hope this helps ,im liking it,mainly cause the tea is a lot cheaper to make than buying expensive nutrients and the tea does a better job in my opinion,my plants are 5 weeks in flower and i still dont have a tip burn,thats a big acomplisment for me hahahah
good luck hope this helps,all the products can be obtained locally even over seas i believe

Thanks for your input. Will definitely try this. Are those ingredients for fungal tea easy to come by?

BillFarthing · Feb 2, 2020

I always used amendments with biostimulant properties- kelp (auxins/cytokinins), alfalfa (tricontanol), insect frass (chitin). I like the NPK of neem, which also has azadiractin. Neem is a complete fertilizer with a little gypsum boost.

If you wanted a pre-mix that's good for super soil, top/side dress or tea, Roots Organics has Uprising and Terp tea, which is pretty decent for the money.

dollardos · Feb 26, 2020

GnarlyC said:
Plan=plant

Here are some plans and a video

Enjoy

Plans For A Home Made 25 Gallon Compost Tea Brewer - Oregon State University | PDF | Compost | Natural Environment

The making and use of compost tea has not been scientifically validated by Oregon State University. Use your own judgment and discretion when making and using compost tea. There are currently no USDA standards about what makes "good" compost tea.

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mancorn · Feb 26, 2020

Best too avoid manure in your tea and just use a good compost. Vermicasting is a good substitute, and you can use bat guano or rabbit poop. But other manures are asking for pathogen problems (especially if you're new to brewing).

GnarlyC · Feb 26, 2020

dollardos said:
Here are some plans and a video Enjoy

Plans For A Home Made 25 Gallon Compost Tea Brewer - Oregon State University | PDF | Compost | Natural Environment

The making and use of compost tea has not been scientifically validated by Oregon State University. Use your own judgment and discretion when making and using compost tea. There are currently no USDA standards about what makes "good" compost tea.

www.scribd.com

This looks dope...going to build one this weekend. I have been using old beer brewing bucket with tap, grain bag for the castings and a small aquarium pump. Can see the value of this frame to disperse the air and a more powerful pump. Thanks for sharing

GnarlyC · Feb 26, 2020

mancorn said:
Best too avoid manure in your tea and just use a good compost. Vermicasting is a good substitute, and you can use bat guano or rabbit poop. But other manures are asking for pathogen problems (especially if you're new to brewing).

Are worm castings enough or do I nerf to add other additives mentioned above?

mancorn · Feb 26, 2020

GnarlyC said:
Are worm castings enough or do I nerf to add other additives mentioned above?

Tea making is like brewing beer, so everyone has a receipt. The main idea however is to "feed" (provide sugars to) the microorganism in your worms castings (or compost) and make millions more. Instead of having to pour tons of compost in your garden, you only need to pour small amounts of tea to give your soil the same amount of microorganisms. So yes you can just use your worm casting, add in sugars (most brewers use blackstrap molasses), into declorinated water with good airflow (you can just use a aquarium pump with a stone) and you're good to go.

Edit: the science behind making teas and why they can be so beneficial to your garden is really fascinating, and my reply doesn't do justice to the topic. There is a ton of info online (search "actively aerated compost tea") and "Teaming with Microbes", is an excellent book to learn the basics.

GnarlyC · Mar 19, 2020

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