Is this eary sign of cal-mag deficiencies, please help

02trueblue · Feb 9, 2020

Ph 007 said:
Thanks for this I shall looks through of properly tomorrow,
I not sure what ml a litre of what I'm using I know in use 2.5ml cannyzm I didn't use to add it at start, I use to just give a&b then add Cannyzm 1st week flower, this time with thse I added cannyzm at 2.5ml a litre that 0.2e.c
Then I'd add a&b at 0.6e.c with no calmag.

I might cut the cannzym TMZ and so what you both said flush with calmag then feed with calmag and feed but I'm gonna just give a&b not the cannyzm I noticed u use 10ml a litre of it, not sure if its really needed? Or would the a&b be to low on p&k. I added cannyzm this time round at start to see if that made any difference but still got same problem yellowing so on. So hopefully in calmag, I know my water is soft water, but also canna contains a bit calmag I think but maybe not enough think they expect you to have a water e.c of 0.4 before adding their feeds

* 10ml/gal (not liter)... the extra P and K balance out the NPK ratio from the A + B.. most people that have problems with Canna don't use the Cannazym.. but I feel it is important. You can definitely grow without it, though. It doesn't add much to your total PPM

Canna nutrients have enough Cal/Mag once you reach around 700ppm of the base nutrients. So if you're sitting around 600 like you should be, then you'll need a little bit of Cal/Mag to keep everything happy. That 600ppm is .8EC on a 500 scale

Ph 007 · Feb 9, 2020

02trueblue said:
* 10ml/gal (not liter)... the extra P and K balance out the NPK ratio from the A + B.. most people that have problems with Canna don't use the Cannazym.. but I feel it is important. You can definitely grow without it, though. It doesn't add much to your total PPM

Canna nutrients have enough Cal/Mag once you reach around 700ppm of the base nutrients. So if you're sitting around 600 like you should be, then you'll need a little bit of Cal/Mag to keep everything happy. That 600ppm is .8EC on a 500 scale

Ye that makes sence dont it, i have read same thing before , and that why about flower 1st week they really get better must be because their on higher feed and the cal in canna is enough then.

Ph 007 · Feb 9, 2020

May sound crazy lol

But since doing a flush earlier with calmag like THCmonster said
The roos have grown out the bottom of the post more

02trueblue · Feb 9, 2020

Ph 007 said:
I do keep track all written down , i m always mixing diffence size mixes some 10litre some 1litre mix for so not sure of it alp off tip of my head,

I use to add rhiztonic at beginning but makes my ph go to to much so asd that later on I also use it as oh up when needed, I do sometimes ass different root make that don't make my pH go up.
I think I'm adding 2ml a&b and 2.5 ml cannyzm a litre = 0.8e.c I think

I also do most you said above wait few mins for pH to adjust I mid my solution about with a jug between adding feed and pH so on

Iv also got 4 I flower 5th week in, being tip drip fed on rhizo drain to wqst system fed twice a day to run off no rhiztonic well not till last few days, and a water butt thats always filled with 40-50 litres if feed , its at 1.6 at moment , never given them calmag, just a&b & cannyzm at 2.5ml a litre , the cannyzm was only added at flowed, they where on pk off now.
These look nice and good they did look like my once I'm now having problems with, last few grows always look bad at start , iv teier all sorts top feed bottom feed feed flush high feed low feed different fed calmag no calmag, I was over watering , but got feeling that was from maybe lock out getting better. But always the starts its a fight, sometime they die,
Been hell lastvfew months lol, getting better can't quite pinpoint where in going wrong

Ph 007 said:
Ye that makes sence dont it, i have read same thing before , and that why about flower 1st week they really get better must be because their on higher feed and the cal in canna is enough then.

Sounds like you're playing the coco game and figuring it all out! You learn by experimenting.. "this works, do this!" "this doesn't work, don't do this again" type of mentality. Rock on.

How often are you calibrating your pH meter?
Maybe that extra feed and care/attention during flowering gives them what they're looking for!

Ph 007 said:
May sound crazy lol

But since doing a flush earlier with calmag like THCmonster said
The roos have grown out the bottom of the post more

It's crazy how the plants are so alive, huh? They literally go searching for that water. After draining my runoff, somtimes i'll add like a millimeter of fresh nutrients back into the saucers. The roots reach out of the pot and grow into the extra moisture

02trueblue · Feb 9, 2020

Just a couple shots from my current cycle... day 38 of 12/12 so far. Feel free to ask any questions! Here to help, coco is an adventure to figure out. But once you do it’s 100% worth it!! Canna nutrients are the bomb

Ph 007 · Feb 9, 2020

02trueblue said:
Sounds like you're playing the coco game and figuring it all out! You learn by experimenting.. "this works, do this!" "this doesn't work, don't do this again" type of mentality. Rock on.

How often are you calibrating your pH meter?
Maybe that extra feed and care/attention during flowering gives them what they're looking for!

It's crazy how the plants are so alive, huh? They literally go searching for that water. After draining my runoff, somtimes i'll add like a millimeter of fresh nutrients back into the saucers. The roots reach out of the pot and grow into the extra moisture

Ye crazy, socially roots they can grow so quick init..

Ow yes iv done some experimenting since using coco and changing to different nutrients..
I was trying all sorts and ruling stuff out then.

Since having problems with coco I been calibrating often was 2-3 times a week just to make sure,

In use to bottom feed with soil and auto pot later on in veg,
then tried with coco few times bottom feeding I was hoping to auto pot coco but reading and trying top feed to east sound the best way to prevent problems so been going down that root.
I know what you mean just a tad in the tray roots tips don't seem to dry off as easy

Ph 007 · Feb 9, 2020

02trueblue said:
Just a couple shots from my current cycle... day 38 of 12/12 so far. Feel free to ask any questions! Here to help, coco is an adventure to figure out. But once you do it’s 100% worth it!! Canna nutrients are the bomb

Nice mate looking good ain't they, mine in flower now looks healthy nice green but don't quite look 100% right seem be missing some green shade on the leaves hard to explain lol

Ph 007 · Feb 9, 2020

Mine in flower don't have any burnt tips like your leaves , and your leaves are quite dark green , mind are not quite as dark green, so maybe they can take more feed, but they seem good , i been taking my feed e.c a but lower last few grows as been fighting problems so could rule out over feeding. Even know I just did it on my new ones lol

02trueblue · Feb 9, 2020

Ph 007 said:
Ye crazy, socially roots they can grow so quick init..

Ow yes iv done some experimenting since using coco and changing to different nutrients..
I was trying all sorts and ruling stuff out then.

Since having problems with coco I been calibrating often was 2-3 times a week just to make sure,

In use to bottom feed with soil and auto pot later on in veg,
then tried with coco few times bottom feeding I was hoping to auto pot coco but reading and trying top feed to east sound the best way to prevent problems so been going down that root.
I know what you mean just a tad in the tray roots tips don't seem to dry off as easy

top feeding drain to waste in coco is the only way to go IMO, gotta keep that medium flushed

Ph 007 said:
Nice mate looking good ain't they, mine in flower now looks healthy nice green but don't quite look 100% right seem be missing some green shade on the leaves hard to explain lol

yeah your first couple photos (where the plants look light yellow) seems underfed. Which doesn't make much sense at that stage and your feeding strength. So that leads me to think it's a lock out of some sort

Ph 007 said:
Mine in flower don't have any burnt tips like your leaves , and your leaves are quite dark green , mind are not quite as dark green, so maybe they can take more feed, but they seem good , i been taking my feed e.c a but lower last few grows as been fighting problems so could rule out over feeding. Even know I just did it on my new ones lol

Same - I keep going lower and lower with my main feeds and keep getting better and better results. I never went over 700ppm this run, even in week 5-6 in flower with Canna PK 13/14 added. I was surprised to see some slightly yellowed tips, but that lets me know they're on the verge of overfeeding.

I give all 10 strains the same feed. My base tap water comes out at 100ppm. Then I add a tiny bit of silica (1.25ml/gal) and 2ml/gal of calmag to get things up to about 220ppm. That part never changes. Then just 8ml/gal A + B, 8ml/gal Rhizotonic, 9ml/gal Cannazym, and 6ml/gal Cannaboost. I also used Mammoth P this round at 1ml/gal.

Ph 007 · Feb 10, 2020

Hi guys

i did what THCmonster said today

i flushed all the 4 small plants i have that are in 4" pots.
if flushed just ph 6.0 water through them till the run off ppm dropped from 300/400ppm to 100/200ppm,
then instantly after this i make a fresh mix of nutrients with calmag,
thats
200ppm of calmag
500ppm of feed thats canna coco A&B and cannyzm

i watered and in was 700ppm thats 1.4 e.c then measured the run off , the run off was coming out at 200/300 ppm
so even now high in very low out?

i did what you aid THCmonster , it seem a very high ppm to feed such small plants, i would usual with soil feed about 400ppm now,
in soil i never needed calmag and would be on 400ppm now, but what you said to feed would be the same as my soil ppm with out the calmag if you getting me lol
so maybe i should add feed like i would usually with soil then put 150-200ppm of cal-mag ontop so id be on. so my 400ppm im use to is now 600ppm the cal is the extra
im struggling to explain this guys lol

some pics below of my plants after doing what above says
the look little droops, think is all the watering since last night to today. they deffo look under fed now since flushing with just calmag last night , i should of done what i did today last night like THCMonster said

Ph 007 · Feb 10, 2020

could all this stress cause them to turn hermi ? or as long as their healthy going into 12/12 be find? iv always wondered this, i know really bad stress can cause it even in veg from past experience

THCMonster · Feb 12, 2020

I wanted to show you this video to show why i dont think 700ppm is to high for your plants, I actually feed my clones 500-600 ppms (once fully rooted)

Now in the video I said you want to bump up the ppms if the run off comes out the same (this is not the case for clones). This was just a demonstration on judging ppm run of for your plants!

I had to water the clone outside the room on the cabinet to make it easier, sorry for the choppy film work.

Ph 007 · Feb 12, 2020

I just read your message I'll check that out soon thanks bit flat out a min

The day after that 200ppm&500ppm feed you said to try , i put them in to 6"pot's from the 4" they where in then watered , not to run off because the looked bit over watered ,
I watered with 150-200ppm of cal-mag and 600ppm feed with no cannyzm this time think it to nearly for it.
Total was
2 the smaller cuttings 300ppm
And
2 that are slightly higher 400ppn
And then day after that today I fed just a dripple again same as above says
They are looking slightly better red stem not as bad nearly gone, leave not dropping as much nearly normal, look still a tad light green jot as bad tho,
actually looking at pics above now to how they look now I can see big difference,

If you don't use cal-mag when you should be using it does this affect how the plant uses nutrients up?

Also forgot to say I dropped my ppm a bit as was scared they get over fed, I want to see how the cal-mag plays out and little feed.

When they drink a little faster I'll upp my ppm

Ph 007 · Feb 12, 2020

Some pic taken just now

This funny looking one is re-vegin my first clone of monster cropping

Ph 007 · Feb 12, 2020

THCMonster said:
I wanted to show you this video to show why i dont think 700ppm is to high for your plants, I actually feed my clones 500-600 ppms (once fully rooted)

Now in the video I said you want to bump up the ppms if the run off comes out the same (this is not the case for clones). This was just a demonstration on judging ppm run of for your plants!

I had to water the clone outside the room on the cabinet to make it easier, sorry for the choppy film work.
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That's for the videos, I can never upload them don't work for me .

I'll have to remember the rub off being same out as in a sign you can upp the feed and also remember is can be 2-300ppm over our that's fine more than that drop back a bit ?

I would usually check run If out was higher then is I'd drip back but I'll try upping ppm on next watering

THCMonster · Feb 12, 2020

Sounds good

. Your starting to understand it. Just keep up with it and your plants will get there!

Dont transplant them from the pots they are in until they are damn near root bound! Trust me you will thank me for it!

Also always use the cannazyme too... Enzymes are extremely important and essential to the Canna nutrient line!

At my store we call it the ABCs of CANNA

cause you have COCO A (A)
Then you have COCO B. (B)
Then you have cannzyme (C)

You add them everytime and from start to finish!

Expect for flush

Ph 007 · Feb 12, 2020

THCMonster said:
You cant really over water with coco... I feel like your thinking of it as dirt too much, try to always make sure you are doing run off. Coco doesnt hold on to nutrients so they will build up fast.

If you have perlite with coco then you have plenty of aeration... For future reference never transplant a plant when its stressed, and in coco especially using canna with cannazyme you dont need to repot until your basically root bound

Top photo is my grow clones when I transplant, and the bottom photo is the commerical grow 3gal going to 5gal pot.

They will dry out on you much faster when they get almost root bound, but they will also feed more and grow roots faster because they have that dry down period in between, but until the roots get extensive my plants stay pretty moist the whole way through! And if they arent drying out fast enough you need to increase air flow or heat in the room!

Feed until run off EVERYTIME!

Dont worry too much about over feeding them in coco because you can do an immediate flush!

1) Keep up with the 150-200ppm of cal mag
2) Always water until there is run off
3) if they look lime green instead of a solid green or dark green then feed them harder! Both only with your base nutrients (coco a&b), nothing else!
4)water everyday to at least every other day (but personally i would do everyday)
5) only transplant once semi/fully root bound in the pot!
In the beginning you dont have a big root structure but the moment it starts expanding your pots will dry out even 24hrs because the roots are consuming that much!

Nice roots their mate,
mine only looked sorts like that from bottom of the pot half way up , this was when I transplanted yesterday,

Iv tried watering every day to run off usually goes OK for first few days then they go bad , but i never used cal-mag
Could be bit over watering or just I needed cal-mag i hope anyway lol.
Every other day um gonna do till they purk up a bit I'm gonna try this usually works for me at start , but now with cal-mag maybe it get better.

I usually start in 6" pots see from clone matching bare roots into coco, but this time I tried 4" pots so I could water more as they dry quicker more room to mess a out in though

I forgot about the stress and re-potting, done now. The reason I put into bigger pot was so some dry coco to dry my roots out a tad, not dry like soil, but they been soaking for 2-3 days see maybe slow drinking cuz stress

THCMonster · Feb 12, 2020

Im following you so just keep the post updated!

Ph 007 · Feb 12, 2020

THCMonster said:
Sounds good . Your starting to understand it. Just keep up with it and your plants will get there!

Dont transplant them from the pots they are in until they are damn near root bound! Trust me you will thank me for it!

Also always use the cannazyme too... Enzymes are extremely important and essential to the Canna nutrient line!

At my store we call it the ABCs of CANNA

cause you have COCO A (A)
Then you have COCO B. (B)
Then you have cannzyme (C)

You add them everytime and from start to finish!

Expect for flush

ABC lol ;)

What do you do for a living grown weed?

THCMonster · Feb 12, 2020

Ph 007 said:
ABC lol ;)

What do you do for a living grown weed?

Part time work at a Hydroponic store
Part time work a commerical facility
Part time at home grower
And part time expert sleeper! Lol

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