Extraction advice from a chemist

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What's up y'all? Happy to be here! I am a botanical chemist (and cannabis aficionado), based in Colorado. What a great time to be alive, right? I aim to be a resource for extractors and growers alike, in order to facilitate better understanding of this marvelous plant...cheers!
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Koerta

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Hydrocarbon Extraction

Why all the fuss about hydrocarbons? Much buzz has been generated regarding solvent choice, and with some internet hysterics inevitable, I'll explain some of the choices...

1)Why use hydrocarbons at all?

As a class of solvents, they are nearly ideal for botanical/cannabis extractions, owing to the fact that they are themselves, oils. Since the target cannabinoids and terpenes are oil-soluble, non-polar molecules, and since terpenes are already oils at room temperature, we desire a light, easy-to-purge solvent that "selects" for our desired extraction profile, while eschewing all the undesirables. Propane and butane fit the bill nicely. Ethane boils at too low of a temperature, and pentane and the heavier hydrocarbons are already used in additional refining steps as carrier solvents... Other choices could work, such as chloroform, acetone or ethanol, but these solvents are polar and will also extract undesirable molecules like pigments; chlorophylls, xanthophylls, and carotenes to name a few, thus necessitating distillation and further refinements such as hot scrubbing, degumming, brine washes, etc.

2) So why the bad rap, butane?

A-This oily gas is toxic to mammals and fish, and being so, it is natural to want to avoid ingesting any.
- however butane is very easy to purge out of the final product using gentle heat (~100°F), and full vacuum. Residuals of 0 ppm should be standard, meaning you intake far more butane from lighting a joint one time with a lighter than would be present in a dab.

B- Old school hash-makers "open blasting" resins without vacuum purge capability undoubtedly led to some residual solvent being smoked.
- Pyrex on a double boiler will remove *most* of the solvent, but not all.

C-Butane is flammable and can lead to explosions when used improperly or carelessly.
- not for home use.

D- Butane boils near 31°F and so requires some specialized apparatus and operator training.
- closed loop extraction uses an engineered system, and as such needs to be operated by trained personnel.

BUT, since terpenes are oils, and we want to capture all the terpenes in order to preserve the original profile of the plant, some of the finest artisanal concentrates are currently made using a 70/30 blend of propane and n- or iso-butane at extremely low temperatures, despite the inherent risks. Commercial product is required to be tested (in Colorado at least), to ensure removal of the residual solvent.

Bottom line: hydrocarbons are A-OK solvents for botanical extraction on a small scale and are preferred for artisan products like "live sauce" or "diamonds n sauce"

Now I'm not knocking water hash; I'll address rosins in another thread...

Happy dabbing!
 
jaguarlax

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Hydrocarbon Extraction

Why all the fuss about hydrocarbons? Much buzz has been generated regarding solvent choice, and with some internet hysterics inevitable, I'll explain some of the choices...

1)Why use hydrocarbons at all?

As a class of solvents, they are nearly ideal for botanical/cannabis extractions, owing to the fact that they are themselves, oils. Since the target cannabinoids and terpenes are oil-soluble, non-polar molecules, and since terpenes are already oils at room temperature, we desire a light, easy-to-purge solvent that "selects" for our desired extraction profile, while eschewing all the undesirables. Propane and butane fit the bill nicely. Ethane boils at too low of a temperature, and pentane and the heavier hydrocarbons are already used in additional refining steps as carrier solvents... Other choices could work, such as chloroform, acetone or ethanol, but these solvents are polar and will also extract undesirable molecules like pigments; chlorophylls, xanthophylls, and carotenes to name a few, thus necessitating distillation and further refinements such as hot scrubbing, degumming, brine washes, etc.

2) So why the bad rap, butane?

A-This oily gas is toxic to mammals and fish, and being so, it is natural to want to avoid ingesting any.
- however butane is very easy to purge out of the final product using gentle heat (~100°F), and full vacuum. Residuals of 0 ppm should be standard, meaning you intake far more butane from lighting a joint one time with a lighter than would be present in a dab.

B- Old school hash-makers "open blasting" resins without vacuum purge capability undoubtedly led to some residual solvent being smoked.
- Pyrex on a double boiler will remove *most* of the solvent, but not all.

C-Butane is flammable and can lead to explosions when used improperly or carelessly.
- not for home use.

D- Butane boils near 31°F and so requires some specialized apparatus and operator training.
- closed loop extraction uses an engineered system, and as such needs to be operated by trained personnel.

BUT, since terpenes are oils, and we want to capture all the terpenes in order to preserve the original profile of the plant, some of the finest artisanal concentrates are currently made using a 70/30 blend of propane and n- or iso-butane at extremely low temperatures, despite the inherent risks. Commercial product is required to be tested (in Colorado at least), to ensure removal of the residual solvent.

Bottom line: hydrocarbons are A-OK solvents for botanical extraction on a small scale and are preferred for artisan products like "live sauce" or "diamonds n sauce"

Now I'm not knocking water hash; I'll address rosins in another thread...

Happy dabbing!

So whats the target boiling point for the solvents you like?
 
Koerta

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So whats the target boiling point for the solvents you like?
I am less concerned with the BP of the solvent per se, than I am with the soak times... I'd use ethane for extractions, but it boils at -89°C(-128°F), which would require substantial heating to efficiently recover the gas. I prefer to use a blended gas: 70% propane, 30% isobutane, as the final result is of a higher quality, with more terpenes retained, than butane alone.

I control 3 variables that regulate the overall extraction success:
1) solvent choice
2) solvent temperature
3) contact time (soak-time) with plant material

Regarding temperatures; all of my extraction is done at -109.3°F(dry-ice temp), and soak times are quite short to minimize removal of undesirables.
 
dire wolf

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What a great time to be alive ! Shouted flu 19 ! Haaa , sorry koerta , just had to say it ......🤣
 
dire wolf

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Yea , but still a great time to be alive as far as our new cannabis use freedom is concerned , as you implied 👍
 
Koerta

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Yea , but still a great time to be alive as far as our new cannabis use freedom is concerned , as you implied 👍
Amen!! The passing of amendment 64 in Colorado was monumental (along with Washington) to get recreational marijuana realized...now, 6 years on, it's a brave new world, and I am happy to be in it. :) To the future!
 

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