First time coco user(Royal Gold tupur) ph and plants problems/questions.

_high_life_living_ · Oct 25, 2020

I recently switched from soil to royal gold tupur coco so I wanted to reach out to the community to see if I can get a little help/guidance in this transition into using coco coir . I have three different strains(gelato mints, Biscotti, garanimals).
I use botanicare pure blend pro line, terpinator and fishsh!t. Feeding are based off the botanicare feed chart. Below I wanted to give as much info as possible to help get a better view. I received the strains as clones. So I followed the same step and process as I have done with soil in the past outside of adjust my ph from 6.4-6.5 to 5.9-6.0. I start at week 2 on the feeding chart for clones, now in week 5 the plants show signs of growth problems.

at week 5 of veg:
PH:6.0
PPM:1100.
Room temp: 77-78F
R.H: 45-48

Tested run off :
PPM: 1490
PH: 6.1

Pictures:
picture 1-2: Biscotte
picture 3-4: Garanimals
picture 5-7: gelato mints
Picture 8: Nutrients

Question:

What is the correct Ph range for coco?

How often should you water coco?

When testing run off, should I see a drop or increase in ppm and ph?

When using coco is run off a must?

MHippie · Oct 25, 2020

I'm a dirt guy and not going to guess on ph and ppms. But you've got variegated leaves in all 3 strains. That's cal/mag def and if that was me in veg, I'd be leaning towards lockout.

You are almost twice what I'd feed in PPMs for veg in dirt. @Aqua Man imo knows more about plant diagnosis than just about anyone here. Hopefully he will weigh in.

The other two concerns I'd have if they were mine are your lower plant growth (I'd strip them 1/3 down) and the spindly top growth.

What type of lights are you using and how far are they from your plants? Anyway to get a full pic of your setup?

_high_life_living_ · Oct 25, 2020

MHippie said:
I'm a dirt guy and not going to guess on ph and ppms. But you've got variegated leaves in all 3 strains. That's cal/mag def and if that was me in veg, I'd be leaning towards lockout.

You are almost twice what I'd feed in PPMs for veg in dirt. @Aqua Man imo knows more about plant diagnosis than just about anyone here. Hopefully he will weigh in.

The other two concerns I'd have if they were mine are your lower plant growth (I'd strip them 1/3 down) and the spindly top growth.

What type of lights are you using and how far are they from your plants? Anyway to get a full pic of your setup?

I’m using a 3000w aglex led. It about 20” from the talls plant and 24 from the shortest. My plan is was to turn these 3 into mothers. For the most part I just have them in in the veg room under the led with fan blowing.

MHippie · Oct 25, 2020

_high_life_living_ said:
I’m using a 3000w aglex led. It about 20” from the talls plant and 24 from the shortest. My plan is was to turn these 3 into mothers. For the most part I just have them in in the veg room under the led with fan blowing.

I'm not familiar with your light but those Cobs sure are pretty :) How much drainage do you have going on with your pots? How long have you been growing?

ic0dex · Oct 27, 2020

_high_life_living_ said:
I recently switched from soil to royal gold tupur coco so I wanted to reach out to the community to see if I can get a little help/guidance in this transition into using coco coir . I have three different strains(gelato mints, Biscotti, garanimals).
I use botanicare pure blend pro line, terpinator and fishsh!t. Feeding are based off the botanicare feed chart. Below I wanted to give as much info as possible to help get a better view. I received the strains as clones. So I followed the same step and process as I have done with soil in the past outside of adjust my ph from 6.4-6.5 to 5.9-6.0. I start at week 2 on the feeding chart for clones, now in week 5 the plants show signs of growth problems.

at week 5 of veg:
PH:6.0
PPM:1100.
Room temp: 77-78F
R.H: 45-48

Tested run off :
PPM: 1490
PH: 6.1

Pictures:
picture 1-2: Biscotte
picture 3-4: Garanimals
picture 5-7: gelato mints
Picture 8: Nutrients

Question:

What is the correct Ph range for coco?

How often should you water coco?

When testing run off, should I see a drop or increase in ppm and ph?

When using coco is run off a must?

I use the same coco, get your self a new Cal-Mag and the issue will go away. I had a similar problem in my last harvest and same as you started with teens. My leafs looked exactly like that. I reused my Cal-Mag from my last harvest. What I realized is cal-Mag goes bad. I would recommend buying a new bottle to feed.

my first harvest I used the Emerald Harvest nutrient line and it came out great. Then on my second harvest I reused what was left over and started having this same exact problem. These water downed nutrients go bad.

_high_life_living_ · Oct 27, 2020

ic0dex said:
I use the same coco, get your self a new Cal-Mag and the issue will go away. I had a similar problem in my last harvest and same as you started with teens. My leafs looked exactly like that. I reused my Cal-Mag from my last harvest. What I realized is cal-Mag goes bad. I would recommend buying a new bottle to feed.

my first harvest I used the Emerald Harvest nutrient line and it came out great. Then on my second harvest I reused what was left over and started having this same exact problem. These water downed nutrients go bad.

I’m using botanicare cal-mag(1gallon). But you may be rite. I brought it about a year ago. But I used the last of it during my last feed, so got a new bottle on the way. Hopefully that does the trick.

amekins · Oct 27, 2020

I’m not a coco person either, but shouldn’t your runoff PPM be less than what you fed/started with? Buildup of salts causing lockout? Have you flushed the plants thoroughly? My very uneducated basic questions.

_high_life_living_ · Oct 27, 2020

amekins said:
I’m not a coco person either, but shouldn’t your runoff PPM be less than what you fed/started with? Buildup of salts causing lockout? Have you flushed the plants thoroughly? My very uneducated basic questions.

thats exactly what I was thinking. I was thinking i let the coco get too dry which cause salt to build up in the coco. But I was also leaning towards ph/calmag. But im start with flush

amekins · Oct 27, 2020

_high_life_living_ said:
thats exactly what I was thinking. I was thinking i let the coco get too dry which cause salt to build up in the coco. But I was also leaning towards ph/calmag. But im start with flush

It could be all of those as a result of salts building up, pH, and cal/mag def as a result of the lockout. Flush flush flush.

Peso325 · Oct 27, 2020

_high_life_living_ said:
I recently switched from soil to royal gold tupur coco so I wanted to reach out to the community to see if I can get a little help/guidance in this transition into using coco coir . I have three different strains(gelato mints, Biscotti, garanimals).
I use botanicare pure blend pro line, terpinator and fishsh!t. Feeding are based off the botanicare feed chart. Below I wanted to give as much info as possible to help get a better view. I received the strains as clones. So I followed the same step and process as I have done with soil in the past outside of adjust my ph from 6.4-6.5 to 5.9-6.0. I start at week 2 on the feeding chart for clones, now in week 5 the plants show signs of growth problems.

at week 5 of veg:
PH:6.0
PPM:1100.
Room temp: 77-78F
R.H: 45-48

Tested run off :
PPM: 1490
PH: 6.1

Pictures:
picture 1-2: Biscotte
picture 3-4: Garanimals
picture 5-7: gelato mints
Picture 8: Nutrients

Question:

What is the correct Ph range for coco?

How often should you water coco?

When testing run off, should I see a drop or increase in ppm and ph?

When using coco is run off a must?

I’m currently Groin and the same Coco you are I think that your PPM’s might be a little too high for the wedge oh so your humidity might be a little too low and veg day like a little humidity and a might be to cold also .

_high_life_living_ · Oct 27, 2020

Peso325 said:
I’m currently Groin and the same Coco you are I think that your PPM’s might be a little too high for the wedge oh so your humidity might be a little too low and veg day like a little humidity and a might be to cold also .

So doing veg what is the target ppm. Or will I have to slowly up the ppm levels n watch the plants to see if it needs more or Less.

MHippie · Oct 27, 2020

amekins said:
I’m not a coco person either, but shouldn’t your runoff PPM be less than what you fed/started with? Buildup of salts causing lockout? Have you flushed the plants thoroughly? My very uneducated basic questions.

Dayuuuuuummmmm Amy! The Farms gonna make you a farmer yet :)))) Freaking LOVE it!

amekins · Oct 27, 2020

_high_life_living_ said:
So doing veg what is the target ppm. Or will I have to slowly up the ppm levels n watch the plants to see if it needs more or Less.

I don’t know about target ppm, but it is usually recommended to start with half the recommended amount and watch the plants. If the tips of leaves burn, back off. If they look good, keep going gradually.

amekins · Oct 27, 2020

MHippie said:
Dayuuuuuummmmm Amy! The Farms gonna make you a farmer yet :)))) Freaking LOVE it!

Come now, Hippie Dude, you didn’t think I was just fucking around, did you? I came to learn and apply what I learn to improve. I’m just glad some of it is sticking.

_high_life_living_ · Oct 27, 2020

amekins said:
I don’t know about target ppm, but it is usually recommended to start with half the recommended amount and watch the plants. If the tips of leaves burn, back off. If they look good, keep going gradually.

alright. Thanks for the help..

Peso325 · Oct 27, 2020

_high_life_living_ said:
So doing veg what is the target ppm. Or will I have to slowly up the ppm levels n watch the plants to see if it needs more or Less.

Yea you would have to start off gradually increasing the ppms every week for week one I would try 400-500 ,wk2 600-700wk3 600-800 wk 4 800-1000 ph5.8-6.0

_high_life_living_ · Nov 14, 2020

So after a flush and a few days of feeding at 800ppm they starting to grows faster and looked way healthier n greener. I decrease the amount nutrients Per gallon except cal-mag and ph 5.9. Now I water them twice a day and check run off. So their starting to turn around.

Terpz719 · Nov 14, 2020

I've never used the product that you're using, but their info makes it sound like it should be treated like regular coco/perlite. This site should get you well on your way, There is a ton of information there. In general, with coco, you want to be fertigating (water + nutrients) at least once a day with run off. FWIW, I think your EC might be too high. When you're feeding that way your EC doesn't need to be as high. I don't use Terpinator, but I think that it's more for flowering / end of flowering. I'm not familiar with Fishshit, so I don't know about that one.

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_high_life_living_ · Nov 16, 2020

Terpz719 said:
I've never used the product that you're using, but their info makes it sound like it should be treated like regular coco/perlite. This site should get you well on your way, There is a ton of information there. In general, with coco, you want to be fertigating (water + nutrients) at least once a day with run off. FWIW, I think your EC might be too high. When you're feeding that way your EC doesn't need to be as high. I don't use Terpinator, but I think that it's more for flowering / end of flowering. I'm not familiar with Fishshit, so I don't know about that one.

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I’m I’ll definitely look over this information. I can say I never used EC when it comes to feeding. I just always watched ppm and ph

Beachwalker · Nov 16, 2020

What is the correct Ph range for coco?
A: 5.8 - 6.1

How often should you water coco?
A: At least daily

When testing run off, should I see a drop or increase in ppm and ph?
A: *see link

When using coco is run off a must?
A: yes

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