Whats in my tent? A very loose diary. First run with Coco, Jack's, RO and automation. GG4

jguit said:

It's a 4x4 tent but i initially was using my 600w HPS so I only used a 3x3 footprint to maximize my lighting. I switched back to LEDs for a few reasons, most importantly they make it easier to control the environment. At least in my situation..

Yea, I only ever do clones of one mother plant at a time for this very reason. Trying to manage feeding requirements and the height of different strains is too much for me. I tried flowering 2 different plants last year and it was a miserable experience. haha

I backed my feed down 1.8 EC as i noticed my runoff was getting a little higher than i wanted. The plants didn't show any signs of salt buildup though. I think this strain doesnt mind heavy feeds from what i've read. I'll start tapering off my feeding even more in few weeks.

I'm using one of those Jain (?) 8 port manifolds with Orbit sprinklers. They both require a certain amount of water pressure. The drippers are adjustable but you need a pump with enough pressure to operate them correctly. I have 2 sprinklers in each pot just in case one gets clogged. Havent had any issues yet,

Forget about GPH when sizing a pump, the amount of water pressure (PSI) is what you need to concentrate on. As long as that's correct, the drippers should work at the GPH they're rated at. The trick is finding the right pump!

No worries. Where else can i talk shop about this stuff? hahaha

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4 x 4 is on my short list. Ceiling is only 7' and it's a 1.5 story so it slopes down to 5 at lowest. Need to find a 6'er when I go lookin.

I will prob run a batch of clones if I ever find a keeper strain. One that doesn't grow old after 30 days so far GelatOG is one I think but it needs further testing. Have a gal thats 5 weeks waiting for a spot in Flower for more testing.

My ec got to 3.0 cause I was feeding way to fast. Surprisingly I didn't have any issues as it got there twice. They got a couple nice flushes tho & reset. So pretty happy with the new dripper setup which cures that bs.

Thanks for the dripper/manifold answers. I think the answer for me is a 12 port mani so I can add an extra line for heavy feeders. GPH forgotten lol.

Lastly, you must be Canadian due to the hockey puck riser holder...

sportyridr said:

My ec got to 3.0 cause I was feeding way to fast. Surprisingly I didn't have any issues as it got there twice. They got a couple nice flushes tho & reset. So pretty happy with the new dripper setup which cures that bs.

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About the same here, my runoff got up to 2.7 EC when i got around to checking it. I also do weekly drenches with fulvic acid and my nutrients. Not quite a flush as i'm only running about a gallon of fulvic/nutrients through each gallon fabric pot every week. I assume that's what kept the buildup somewhat under control. It seems coco is pretty forgiving in this respect.

sportyridr said:

Lastly, you must be Canadian due to the hockey puck riser holder...

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You would think?! But I'm not.. haha

Here we are at day 28. Things are looking great and the buds are starting to fatten up! Also started to cut back on N a little bit. Hopefully we'll be on cruise control soon.

jguit said:

Here we are at day 28. Things are looking great and the buds are starting to fatten up! Also started to cut back on N a little bit. Hopefully we'll be on cruise control soon.

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Looks awesome man nice work!

jguit said:

Here we are at day 28. Things are looking great and the buds are starting to fatten up! Also started to cut back on N a little bit. Hopefully we'll be on cruise control soon.

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I aspire to pull grows like this off...looking like a beauty tent full of

dropped some N you say

May I ask what your current ratios of Jack's are?...for research only Been at str8 321 albeit at different EC's as I ramped it up throughout the grow so when you say "dropped some N" I would be interested to know how you changed your ratio as it will drop the Cal as well.

You mentioned last week that you only run the Fulvic once per week, is that to save a few bucks? I've been using as directed with every nute mix. Maybe less is more, just checking but at .04 it seems to last pretty good, got just about 6 months out of small bottle.

sportyridr said:

I aspire to pull grows like this off...looking like a beauty tent full of

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Thank you. I hope this grow maintains its beauty. Hahaha.. I deserve it, my Sour Diesel run last spring was a nightmare and far from beauty. Take the good with the bad!

sportyridr said:

dropped some N you say

May I ask what your current ratios of Jack's are?...for research only Been at str8 321 albeit at different EC's as I ramped it up throughout the grow so when you say "dropped some N" I would be interested to know how you changed your ratio as it will drop the Cal as well.

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I'm mixing Jack's a little bit differently but the ratio is 'close' to 3-2-1. I'll mention that i'm using PureCal instead of Jack's CalNit. Purecal is 13-0-0 (18% Calcium) instead of Jack's 15-0-0 (18%). You'd just have to run it at 2.3g instead of 2. This give a little bit more calcium and the same amount of N as Jack's CalNit.

That said, I'm not mixing Jack's by weight. I'm making stock solutions (concentrates) and measuring by ppm instead of messing around and measuring dry salts all the time. I do the math to maintain the 3-2 ratio in ppms which is close to measuring the salts by weight but not exact. I also only add 50 ppm of epsom salt to my mix in veg and early flower and bump this up to around 100 ppm as I get deeper into flower. I increase epsom as i'm cutting the CalNit, it seems to make the buds stinkier but this is anecdotal. I havent noticed any calcium deficiencies in either coco or promix when lowering the amount of CalNit as flowering progresses.

You could also make stock solutions in the 3-2-1 ratio and just measure out equal parts of the liquid concentrate.

sportyridr said:

You mentioned last week that you only run the Fulvic once per week, is that to save a few bucks? I've been using as directed with every nute mix. Maybe less is more, just checking but at .04 it seems to last pretty good, got just about 6 months out of small bottle.

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I run it once a week because i dont want fulvic in my reservoir gumming things up. With just Jack's in my reservoir, i havent had any clogs or any funky smells. I'd think fulvic would surely bring the funk! I'm using Mr. Fulvic and notice the occasional piece of sludge in the bottle.

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I'll also mention that I use RO and top off my final mix with my tap water to hit my pH target of 5.8 ish and stabilize it. The alkalinity of my tap water works perfect for this. No pH up/down ever.

jguit said:

Thank you. I hope this grow maintains its beauty. Hahaha.. I deserve it, my Sour Diesel run last spring was a nightmare and far from beauty. Take the good with the bad!

I'm mixing Jack's a little bit differently but the ratio is 'close' to 3-2-1. I'll mention that i'm using PureCal instead of Jack's CalNit. Purecal is 13-0-0 (18% Calcium) instead of Jack's 15-0-0 (18%). You'd just have to run it at 2.3g instead of 2. This give a little bit more calcium and the same amount of N as Jack's CalNit.

That said, I'm not mixing Jack's by weight. I'm making stock solutions (concentrates) and measuring by ppm instead of messing around and measuring dry salts all the time. I do the math to maintain the 3-2 ratio in ppms which is close to measuring the salts by weight but not exact. I also only add 50 ppm of epsom salt to my mix in veg and early flower and bump this up to around 100 ppm as I get deeper into flower. I increase epsom as i'm cutting the CalNit, it seems to make the buds stinkier. But yea, I havent noticed any calcium deficiencies in either coco or promix when lowering the amount of CalNit as flowering progresses.

You could also make stock solutions in the 3-2-1 ratio and just measure out equal parts of the liquid concentrate.

I run it once a week because i dont want fulvic in my reservoir gumming things up. With just Jack's in my reservoir, i havent had any clogs or any funky smells. I'd think fulvic would surely bring the funk! I'm using Mr. Fulvic and notice the occasional piece of sludge in the bottle.

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Sorry about your diesel run, my last that finished in Dec was horrible for many reasons as well.

I did see now that you mention it where you said about using Purecal so that explains that, thanks. My newbie self added Kelp to increase the Cal a bit while I just left the N alone. Guess that worked ok as there was no issues other than it makes the water very dark and stains the crap out of buckets etc. I'll be looking for a cleaner product down the road. Cal phosphate maybe?...

I'm going to make the stock solutions for this next grow, looking for a cpl decent containers to use for this. I'm able to do that now that I have plenty of Jack's to work with now that I bought a bunch with the price going up. All I had before was the Jack's starter kit to see how it went. I've been using alot of Mag but I think I'm still gun shy from using the Megacrop. Interesting observations about the stanky stank.

Haven't noticed any issues with the Fulvic but then again the Kelp discolors things enough I can't see so great. No issues in rez but it's changed weekly if not more as I only make 4 gals at a time (daily basically) cause I gotta carry to 2nd floor. Alot of times I just switch the pump to new clean feed bucket and go.

Thanks for letting me pick your brain man...I'm not one to ask questions, I'll research it til I'm blue in the face for answers but sometimes there is just no way to google it.

Lastly I'm going to try the DIY Clearex from the Science in Hydro guy later this week as its getting pretty close. Currently at .04ec so were just biding time now.

sportyridr said:

Sorry about your diesel run, my last that finished in Dec was horrible for many reasons as well.

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As fucked up as the diesel run was, the smoke was still great! haha. It wasn't a total loss but I did have a plant herm on me. Luckily seeds were minimal!

sportyridr said:

I did see now that you mention it where you said about using Purecal so that explains that, thanks. My newbie self added Kelp to increase the Cal a bit while I just left the N alone. Guess that worked ok as there was no issues other than it makes the water very dark and stains the crap out of buckets etc. I'll be looking for a cleaner product down the road. Cal phosphate maybe?...

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Honestly, Jack's CalNit has plenty of calcium. I ran through a 25lb bag of it and never had a cal deficiency. If i saw anything resembling a rust spot, I'd slightly increase my overall EC and that would sort things out. I try to add the least amount of stuff.

I think you'll enjoy working with stock solutions. If you're interested in how i calculate the 3-2 ratio in ppm, drop me a PM.

jguit said:

As fucked up as the diesel run was, the smoke was still great! haha. It wasn't a total loss but I did have a plant herm on me. Luckily seeds were minimal!

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I didn't even get that, was closer to fkn hemp. Needless to say that socktucker at SeaofGreenSeeds and I don't do bizness any more...but I've moved on lol.

jguit said:

Honestly, Jack's CalNit has plenty of calcium. I ran through a 25lb bag of it and never had a cal deficiency. If i saw anything resembling a rust spot, I'd slightly increase my overall EC and that would sort things out. I try to add the least amount of stuff.

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Takes me a minute but through talkin this out some it has me realize that I have been treating Jack's like it was my last nutrient selection by adding all this extra not needed shit to try and compensate like I was doing before. Still have ALOT to learn to keep me out of trouble but I'm getting there.

jguit said:

If you're interested in how i calculate the 3-2 ratio in ppm, drop me a PM.

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ok man will do, appreciate your time

Week 6 is approaching in a few days. Buds are finally starting to fatten up.

We'll call it day 35 (actually day 34), things are progressing well. Buds started stacking up in the middle of week 5 just as I started to see some hairs begin to turn orange. Been slowly ramping up my PK levels a touch while maintaining a good amount of N. I'll probably begin to use Jack's Finish somewhere around week 7. These plants have a pleasant sweet citrus/berry smell, not much in the way of skunk or fuel type of smells. Can wait to see how they smell after drying.

Outstanding work bro! F'ing killer...

jguit said:

We'll call it day 35 (actually day 34), things are progressing well. Buds started stacking up in the middle of week 5 just as I started to see some hairs begin to turn orange. Been slowly ramping up my PK levels a touch while maintaining a good amount of N. I'll probably begin to use Jack's Finish somewhere around week 7. These plants have a pleasant sweet citrus/berry smell, not much in the way of skunk or fuel type of smells. Can wait to see how they smell after drying.

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looks good, im right behind you just finished week 3

Tomorrow will be the beginning of week 7. Buds started to really tighten up this past week. Smells are really kicking up. the citrus-y smell is still there but now there's a lot of spicy funk, for lack of a better description. Im thinking somewhere around day 60 or so will be close to harvest, we'll see. Been ramping my EC down over the past 2 weeks and will probably start feeding finish salts sometime in the next fews days.

Day 44 group picture.. Might be the last group shot of the ladies before I murder them. I'm planning to start giving them Jack's 7-15-30 finish later this week and anticipate harvesting them in the next few weeks (week 9ish). I got some C99 in my humidity dome and am going to try to get another run in before the summer heat!

those c99 from g13? if so, im running it right now.

PK1 said:

those c99 from g13? if so, im running it right now.

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This C99 is from Fleur du Mai seeds. I popped some seeds last spring but didn't get around to flowering any of them yet. Out of 5 seeds i wound up with 3 females. One was too picky with nutrients, even in veg so i tossed it and am now left with 2. These clones were cut from the nicer of the 2 plants.

The c99 phenos were all very consistent as far as overall looks. That said, they look nothing like the C99 plants (Brothers Grimm) that i grew back in the early 00's.

it be interesting to see the difference between G13 and fleur du mai c99's

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it be interesting to see the difference between G13 and fleur du mai c99's

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The leaves look similar to the ones that you have in your tent. I'll take a pic of the mother later tonight.

Day 46 bud shot. Will be approaching the beginning of week 8 in a few days. Buds aren't monsters but they're super dense. They still look like they have some time to go. It's looking like at least week 9 and maybe week 10 for a potential chop.