Will they make it? Clones in RDWC

amstercal said:

Yikes on the root color. Are you using something that's turning them that brown? Roots Excel does, but a light brown, not like that, IMHO. Are they slimy? If they already have root rot, I would just toss and start over after a VERY thorough cleaning, but that's just me. I know people have had success with various treatment products.

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No they dont feel slimy but I know they do not look good or healthy. I know growth and they are not doing it besides the one I talked about in the video.. Now that one shows me recent vibrant growth. The others could be recovering slowly but it does not really show too much. Again once I put in the karma, they will turn brown as heck. Starting over is not a option.. I fight hard and get things sorted as much as I can before tossing plants. At least that way I can hopefully figure out the issue at hand.

kuz said:

calmag and tap? Too much chlorine in the tap maybe, just a wild guess.

New poll question, stain or rot? Did that once, thought it was stain until it got real obvious it wasnt. But my real clue was what the ph was doing, and your ph is steady. How much air is the nute solution getting? With that much root mass you would think they would have acclimated already and be perking up. Could the better looking plants be getting more oxygen somehow?

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Yes I wish I knew about the chlorine but the maiden strayed me away from the strips that told me I had none. I am not sure what to believe though as I dont smell it, but cant imagine not having any at all.

Next on the agenda is a 50 gallon tote that I can bubble out the night before, before using in the res.

dextr0 said:

Motta i run dwc, but i dont run systems like that. If I'm understanding its just dwc where all the buckets share the same water? I think thats your problem. Ive never had my roots look like that, and the only time i had anything close, It was from not washing the Growrocks correctly. Whatever it is its in your roots. I would wash them off as well as i could (gently!) and replace your reservoir. Do they all look like that? the roots i mean?

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Yes they all share the same water, res, nutes, temp, bads and goods. I flushed like crazy but no I never actually rubbed them to clean. I only touched them a few times to see if they were toast but there is some life there. With your post and the last post above it looks like that may be needed if I dont see some action soon.

dextr0 said:

Sorry for not being clear. I do not think you have algea, i was stating why my roots looked a little green. Check it out first of all you have different strains that are different ages and trying to give them all the same nutes. Your nutrient burning some and shorting others. Thats why i dont like them kinds of systems. I really recommend taking out nutes and adding plain RO water for awhile. How your going to deal with different feedings idk. I would focus on clearing those roots. Did you actually rinse off the roots??

I also posted earlier, its the 10th post on this tread. Did you see it?

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Right I completely understand what you are saying. You can do multiple strains in 1 res.. I have done it with a dozen strains with one res. Some will of course be better than others for sure. My problem is obviously bigger now too since I have a month ahead on some plants in the same system. Those were also slow because of variables but are now recovering.

Thank you for your posts :cool

I have access to about 3 gallons of R/O water from my kitchen sink so I cant fill that whole puppy up with it.

I could drain again but I really just did that before posting this thread. Cleaning and sterilizing would be a whole days work on this thing as far as unscrewing everything.. Total nightmare which is last resort. Problem with my mickey mouse draining is I can see the solids staying in some of the buckets. I did scrub with a long brush everything in the buckets and the main res. The buckets still did have LK solids though. Also the hydrogen peroxide would kill my beneficials and maybe the enzymes as well? For sure the benes though.. Thats why I was asking about a smaller temporary setup just to baby these.. also not something I really want to do.
Also changing my nutes is something I dont really want to do either. In the beginning I ran canna-terra and it was wonderful so I know for sure it would be great trying GH or some other chem nutes. I dont want to fork out more than needed though. Spent WAYYY too much already. Thank you for your input :rock

Garden of Dreams said:

Personally heres what I would do. Drain everything, Clean and Sterilze everything.
Let the babies bubble in straight R/O water ph'd to 5.8 with 20 mls of H202 per 5 gallons. Let the babies bubble while you clean everything. Then I would mix a new batch of nutes and make it about 5-500ppms. Personally I would be using gh Micro/Bloom at 5mls Micro-10mls Bloom per gallon, may be a bit strong but you can water it down to get it in range. I would top feed them all once a day and let them bubble. Make sure the water never goes above 70

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Let the babies bubble in straight R/O water ph'd to 5.8 with 20 mls of H202 per 5 gallons.

I diddnt want to mention this but like GOD said that will help those roots. You need them clean. If need be seperate them in a bowl and add solution that equivalent to what hes saying (3mls h202 per gallon) for a day. Whatever is affecting your roots is in your rez also because your roots still have whatever they have and that just went back into the rez.

Need to get a good grip on the roots. My drowning clones look a lot like the plant i had that got the root rot, but the clones I can see good healthy white roots, not the case with yours because of the liquid karma. Really hope its not rot, then you have bigger problems, not enough dissolved oxygen or turbulence. And it looks like you have every other issue covered in that room.

Do you have an airstone in all the buckets?

No airstones as they were crusting up and looking like crap within a few weeks. I did make sure they are all the way underneath the drain.. So it kind of anchors it to the bottom.. Close, but not all the way there. That pump also kind of sucks in my opinion as I see some buckets getting better bubbling than others. There is two air pumps in the main res to make up the difference.

I could easily whip up a small res for all them in a open tupperware and have it in there.. I dont have any hydrogen peroxide in the house though.. I do have bleach though. I could also basically do the same thing as far as scrubbing the bottom of the buckets and trying to fill and drain it a few times to get the muck out. I will hit the crap out of it with the hose if I do that though.

Pics just taken
They are slightly doing better. I turned one of the fans off too as I remembered someone mentioning the air burn. I am noting any changes made and will post them as well.

Keep posting helpful info everyone!

Sorry for any repeat pics. I was trying to show off the bottom of the buckets. The main res is very clear though. I am almost 100% certain its sediments from the liquid karma by the way. I should start a poll on who does NOT use liquid karma in their (hydro) grow ;)

Heres pictures of the buckets before I attempted to clean them.

Also the temp res at 5.9ph and hydrogen peroxide. I washed off the roots with my fingers and let them sit all day in the kitchen with the lights on. they seem to be perking up already! Hopefully its not fools gold but its looking better and better. I will keep posting till all is well.

imo thats pythium , caused by not having enough oxygen in the water

once you got pytium its almost impossible to get rid of

id ditch the clones steralise the buckets with h202 and start a fresh

Some people have had a lot of good things to say about a product called hydro fungicide lately. That might nullify the aqua shield, not sure. You know, dead res vs live res.

You might just take cuttings off the best plants and start fresh with them? As long as the plant looks healthy I dont think pythium carries over to the clone, hopefully someone will tell me if thats wrong. If you haven't taken clones before that could be a whole new learning curve, some people get it right away, took me a while though. My first clones took nearly a month to root. I see people on here do it in days, just a couple of weeks to get them in veg.

Get some airstones, thats the only thing i can see why you would be having problems especially so early on. You heard the theory that you should have two sizes of bubbles? Large bubbles to gently move the roots around and micro bubbles that will get the most o2 in the water.

Upgraded the air pump yesterday which I have been meaning to do for a while. The eco 8 air pump does not distribute the flow evenly and it was really low for 3-5 gallons of water per station. The Eco air 3 pump I have REALLY bubbles the crap out of it. Whats crazy though is it gets hotter than crap. I went to check on the res since I have been flooding and draining to clear it out and the air pump was off and HOT!!!! So I crapped my pants a little and thought to plug it into a 15 on 15 off timer so it can properly cool down. It seems to work harder when its cool and more efficient. I have two pumps in the main res so I think it should be fine with a 24/7 flow instead of the cycle timer. Have not made up my mind on that though..

I also have access to clones with a short drive and a little over $100 bucks.

So for those thinking I am wasting my time here.. Knowledge is power and I am working through these issues to understand processes first hand as much as I can. I have already dealt with other issues in the past that I can now cure with no problem.

dextr0 said:

Let the babies bubble in straight R/O water ph'd to 5.8 with 20 mls of H202 per 5 gallons.

I diddnt want to mention this but like GOD said that will help those roots. You need them clean. If need be seperate them in a bowl and add solution that equivalent to what hes saying (3mls h202 per gallon) for a day. Whatever is affecting your roots is in your rez also because your roots still have whatever they have and that just went back into the rez.

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I've had problem's with root and deficiencies/lockout? and was wondering what the improper way of cleaning the Hydroton rock. I soaked them In 35% H2O2 @1.5 tsp/gal and am getting some problems. Also, the 3mls per gall, is that 35% or 2%?

Man those roots are looking good. Just had to give you props on that because you took care of buisness quick!....
Can you take that air pump back? Maybe its defective. If its an old one sometimes youll see a open hole at the bottom thats got cotton like shit in it. Its the intake and those cottons get dirty as fuck and makes your pump work extra hard. I take those out and throw em in some alchohol for a bit, take it and dry it out. Put back and its ready to roll...I know that some basic shit but sometimes it gets overlooked. GOOD LUCK.

ahh thank you very much for everyones help and info!!!

I was seriously amazed on how much better most of them looked after the h20 treatment. One of them was REALLY far behind so in order to not miss a slot I ended up getting some more babies ;) So the ones I have treated currently are in dirt, including a few extras, and the ones I did not want in the rdwc at the moment.

Currently 5.4 and about 450PPM

100ML PBP
60ML Calmag
60ML Aquashield

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1. Pineapple Trainwreck
2. Pre-98 Bubba Kush
3. Tahoe OG Kush
4. Blue Dream

5. P.O. Power
6. GSK Golden Sour Kush
7. WhiteFire (The white x Fire og)
8. Chem 4

Taken out and into dirt.. 707 headband, alien og, blackberry og

New in dirt.. 2 extra Tahoes and 1 extra blue dream that was just in rockwool before, will be given away once they are nursed back to heath.
Also Fire OG is a new clone in soil.

Basically I will keep any strains I like for the next run and bring in new cuts possibly then to replace any strains I did not like.

All of them in the RDWC look great except for the blue dream wilting for the first time! I figure she will come right back though. The new clones are taking off and the older plants are getting adjusted I believe. I see new root growth on the older plants but nothing like the new clones. Thats my justification for the slow root growth on the old batch.

Shots of 24 hour new roots in the system from the new clones.

1st. White Fire
2nd. Tahoe OG
3rd. Pre 98 Bubba, in Soil ;)

48 hour shots of the clones.. The older ones are doing better today. Root growth on them looks super slow but the leaves shows they are happy again.

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707 in dirt is toast. I had cut the roots binded with the netpot since I literally didn't have anymore and wanted to git er done. Not good if you are really trying to bring back the plant. I honestly didnt care though, same with the blackberry og and I already see it starting to wilt big time. So far looks like two out of the original 8 are toast.. 1 for sure because of me. The 707 I gave it a 50/50 chance of coming back but since I had some extras I just thought to replace her instead.

Now for the older ones in the system... The biggest, blue dream and chem 4 look like they are coming back to life slightly though the leaves. Roots look decent but nothing at a rapid pace like the unstressed clones. The older, smaller plants in the system are also slowly moving along.. real slow. New root growth on those is very small. Have not thrown the pond zyme in but I am starting to want to since they could use some enzyme help. I am running aquashield beneficials at the moment. Wondering if the two combination's would be ok. Will give a 72 hour picture shot later on of all the roots.

So I guess the new question is if the older clones will actually start thriving again.. Sooner than later hopefully ;) New clones are going nuts so will the older ones hang in?