NO BS... This is for real!!!

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Let me know who blows up or who gets one working first ...


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How about this:
http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/25/the-truth-about-nuclear-power

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As Jerry Taylor of the Cato Institute wrote in Reason magazine in 2009, “Nuclear energy is to the Right what solar energy is to the Left: Religious devotion in practice, a wonderful technology in theory, but an economic white elephant in fact (some crossovers on both sides notwithstanding). When the day comes that the electricity from solar or nuclear power plants is worth more than the costs associated with generating it, I will be as happy as the next Greenpeace member (in the case of the former) or MIT graduate (in the case of the latter) to support either technology.”

Until that time comes, producing nuclear energy remains a very costly business.
 
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Someone quoting two of my favorite reads!

Cato and Reason!

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They're pretty much daily reads. Theagitator is great for drug and police abuse reporting as well.

God I hate politicians.
 
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I recently heard 70% of the US economy is energy based - coal, and oil. Do you really think the players would let that go away quietly?
 
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Paradigm shifts happen all the time.

You could have been the best buggie and whip maker out there, but the Model T came along and you were out on your ass.

You think Texas Instruments said oh damn, the computer came out so I guess we are just a calculator company, lets fold?

'Energy' companies will shift their emphasis to whatever 'energy' is being used, if they don't the company goes away and new ones fill the gap. That's how its supposed to work. Rest on your laurels, get shown the door.
 
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DoobyScoo

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Nuclear isn't that more expensive than coal, according to your chart.
Are subsidies taken in effect? Plus, under NGNP we can also byproduct Hydrogen.

Check out the EIA annual outlooks.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/forecasts/aeo/

We got a bigger problem than just WHAT energy source we use.
 
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The hydrogen would be great to power the hydrogen cars that companies have been working on (hydrogen fuel cells). If the United Stated would reprocess our fuel rods like everyone else, the price would again come down and drastically reduce the amount of used spent fuel (40% less solid fuel after reprocessing, but so far they rods can only be reprocessed once)

One interesting fact about the fuel in nuclear plants is that it is all owned by the government (In America). It is actually leased to power companies, so the storage is the responsibility of the US government. Why? Let private companies meet government standards for fuel storage and have them foot the bill with out the taxpayer burden, government expense, and government red tape ($$$).
 
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Don't even need the fuel cell.
How about good old fashion combustion! Why build millions of new engines when we can retrofit the ones we have?

Seriously, just read the EIA executive summary, it is only one page and will dispel many myths about HOW we use and obtain our energy.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/forecasts/aeo/executive_summary.cfm

Yeah, and why don't we reprocess our spent fuel? I don't know.
Damn, another thing the French are better at than us. This is getting sickening, the French should never be better at anything than us!
 
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DoobyScoo said:
Don't even need the fuel cell.
How about good old fashion combustion! Why build millions of new engines when we can retrofit the ones we have?

Seriously, just read the EIA executive summary, it is only one page and will dispel many myths about HOW we use and obtain our energy.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/forecasts/aeo/executive_summary.cfm

Yeah, and why don't we reprocess our spent fuel? I don't know.
Damn, another thing the French are better at than us. This is getting sickening, the French should never be better at anything than us!
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You may be correct but remember that if the hydrogen tank exploded because of an accident, the explosion would be huge. It would be far more energetic that a gasoline explosion from what I understand, and the tank itself would become a grenade. Perhaps this is fixable? You are right tho, if the engines can handle the fuel, then yea cheap fuel fo sho!
 
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Lost said:
I call B.S.

My love of science and the scientific method is probablly no surprise to anyone that has seen my posts. I don't see the reality of this and would like to understand what their scientific explanation is. How is the 400 watts produce the enormous amount of energy required for the fusion?

Where this technology will happen after we unlock the ability to access some of the 11 (or 10 depending on the string theory expert you ask) dimensions. It is thru that accessability that the wonderous things will happen.

On a funkey side note, gravity is such a weak property because it permeates more than 4 (of 10 or 11) dimensions. Our scientific calculations on how strong it should be are way off (its much weaker than it should be), because we have yet to understand the dimensions we cannot see or examine, and how these dimentions influence our world, and how they do not. Creating energy in our dimensions my have certain limits, not experienced in other dimensions. In other words, I pose that the energy would need to be produced in more than 4 dimensions, for such things to work, and simple chemical reactions are not in and they are only in 4 dimensions.

If this were reality, we would not be hearing about it on this level. This technology if real would give the creators basically a monolopy on humanity, Yea, really..
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someone has been watching Carl Sagan!

ass far as the law of conservation of energy/mass we must remember that all matter is energy. So if the reaction has to be recharged then basically some of the matter is converted into energy so it is not created it simply changes forms.
 
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iscrog4food said:
someone has been watching Carl Sagan!

ass far as the law of conservation of energy/mass we must remember that all matter is energy. So if the reaction has to be recharged then basically some of the matter is converted into energy so it is not created it simply changes forms.
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Im more of Michio Kaku fan than a Carl Sagan fan :)
 
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Lost said:
You may be correct but remember that if the hydrogen tank exploded because of an accident, the explosion would be huge. It would be far more energetic that a gasoline explosion from what I understand.
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You never heard of gas and oil mixing, then catching on fire? The hyrdogen being at pressure would exit the RUPTURE point at high velocity that explosion would be less likely. More like an oil rig on fire than a pineapple grenade.

My 2 cents.

But hydrogen has many problems to solve still.

My point with the EIA report is that is will be a MIX of ALL energies to fulfill American needs/wants, unless we have practical, large-scale FUSION.
 
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DoobyScoo said:
You never heard of gas and oil mixing, then catching on fire? The hyrdogen being at pressure would exit the RUPTURE point at high velocity that explosion would be less likely. More like an oil rig on fire than a pineapple grenade.

My 2 cents.

But hydrogen has many problems to solve still.

My point with the EIA report is that is will be a MIX of ALL energies to fulfill American needs/wants, unless we have practical, large-scale FUSION.
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"The explosive nature of hydrogen and oxygen is what is keeping us from using it as auto fuel. In order to be used as auto fuel, that car must be able to withstand very high temperatures and a high energy explosion. Other than that, hydrogen would be an excellent fuel for all veihicles and the only by product is water."



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"Hydrogen has the highest energy output by weight of any fuel"

"When the Hindenburg airship approached its dock in Lakehurst, N.J., on May 6, 1937, the blimp that held the passenger decks aloft was filled with hydrogen. This element, the simplest -- and most abundant -- in the universe, has one proton with a single electron revolving around it. Hydrogen also weighs the least of all the elements atomically. It can pack quite a punch, creating vast amounts of energy when oxygen and an ignition source are introduced. When the Hindenburg exploded, the world witnessed the power of hydrogen"

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/dangerous-hydrogen-fuel.htm
 
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DoobyScoo

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I wouldn't quote Helium.com if I were you, at least Wikipedia is peer reviewed.

Explosions!:icon_dizzy:
You say explosion, I say combustion. Another reason people are fooled. Everyone thinks the Hindenburg just exploded like a flash-bang.
I think (know, have watched it) if you find the footage, it will look quite different.
But I gave up on Sheeple a long time ago.
 
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You guys seen the Honda FCX? One of the first production hydrogen powered cars. Zero emissions, and doesn't have the limited range and long re-charge time that plagues most electric vehicles, and supposedly gets the equivalent of around 60 MPG. Will be curious to see how this technology pans out.
 
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There is an inventor dude out in Kansas? I think? High-school drop out.

Goodwin I think is his name?

Anyway, he rolled through Denver in a converted Hummer H3 that got like 100mpg on BioDiesel.

Uses a jet turbine for like 10 seconds to 'supercharge' the batteries then shuts off. When they get low again, turbine rages/charges and shuts off.


Pretty sure it had a sick 0-60 time too.

EDIT:

Jonathan Goodwin - Witchita, KS

Here is a converted Impala with one of his engines. 600HP @ 25MPG


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DoobyScoo

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Lost said:
Sorry about the sand in your vagina :p
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I know. I hate the fucking beach. Shit gets everywhere.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on Hydrogen.

P.S.There are a few ways of storing hydrogen in a less 'dangerous' format than as a high-pressure gas.
Brief overview of options being researched.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy#Storage

P.S.S. Obviously no one takes the time to read the EIA report. There is no single answer, to meet our country's energy needs/wants will require a MIX of ALL fuels/energy sources.

Now if we could just find those 'Energon Cubes' that the Transformers keep fighting over, we would be set.
 
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3 hydrogen "Pumps" are opeing up in the next year or so in california. Funny because its illegal to sell in that format, but that will be taken care of I assume before they start operation. 2015 is the date for hydrogen fuel cell cars to hit the market. Before they go into production they HAVE to have at least a few gas atations that carry it, for the vehicles to be licensed.

Or so I hear :)
 
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