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LexLuthor · Dec 26, 2012

Capulator said:
I was not trying to advertise. sorry if it came off that way. I was just saying that things like trichoderma, pseudomonas, streptomyces, and bacillus etc.. were great in hydro. As a foliar bennies work wonders too. If you haven't tried it you should. Seagreen is great, or the microlife photosynth plus... or my stuff.. just to see what a difference it can make.

I run tea in an MPB as opposed to sterile and my plants have never looked better.

I didn't take it as an advertisement, but you got the best stuff around. From what I here its that raw lol.

Seriously though, I'll try it once I dial things in with my perlite hempy's. Do you think the peat/perlite mix would do better in normal buckets or hempy's?? I'm thinking normal buckets because the peat holds alot of moisture so the mini-rez in the bottom of the hempy's would be somewhat unnecessary, anyone have thoughts on this?

midwestdensies · Dec 26, 2012

Hempys work really well the more aeration ime ie hydroton or perlite. Ive personally only ran coco hempys a few ratios and liked 75/25 with top dress coco. I always wondered about peat and how it would perform but from what I've always seen 50/50 is standard. One way to find out though. Maybe do a tester before investing all that space... I do feel it would hold the moisture pretty well maybe 60/40 blend. Sorry cant be of more help but I like this discussion.

LexLuthor · Dec 26, 2012

midwestdensies said:
Hempys work really well the more aeration ime ie hydroton or perlite. Ive personally only ran coco hempys a few ratios and liked 75/25 with top dress coco. I always wondered about peat and how it would perform but from what I've always seen 50/50 is standard. One way to find out though. Maybe do a tester before investing all that space... I do feel it would hold the moisture pretty well maybe 60/40 blend. Sorry cant be of more help but I like this discussion.

Thanks, I'm not gonna do every plant the same way. Probably do some 50/50 in normal buckets, others 75/25 in hempy's, then maybe a couple pure perlite buckets just to see some comparison and I'd do it with clones from the same mother. I don't have any moms right now so I would have to grow some out in soil 1st, but I'm gonna buy some beans tomorrow so I can get started within a few weeks.

Now to get somewhat back on subject, what do people think about the NPK Ca Mg ppm should look like with peat/perlite?? I was thinking something like 120-40-160-120-60 for veg and 1st 3 weeks of flower, then 100-60-180-80-40 thru rest of flower. Also, boost P and K another 20 ppm each for weeks 2, 4, and 6.

Capulator · Dec 27, 2012

lex0415 said:
Thanks, I'm not gonna do every plant the same way. Probably do some 50/50 in normal buckets, others 75/25 in hempy's, then maybe a couple pure perlite buckets just to see some comparison and I'd do it with clones from the same mother. I don't have any moms right now so I would have to grow some out in soil 1st, but I'm gonna buy some beans tomorrow so I can get started within a few weeks.

Now to get somewhat back on subject, what do people think about the NPK Ca Mg ppm should look like with peat/perlite?? I was thinking something like 120-40-160-120-60 for veg and 1st 3 weeks of flower, then 100-60-180-80-40 thru rest of flower. Also, boost P and K another 20 ppm each for weeks 2, 4, and 6.

have you ever tried an airstone in the bottom of your hempys?

LexLuthor · Dec 27, 2012

Capulator said:
have you ever tried an airstone in the bottom of your hempys?

No, I use the hempy buckets with a hole 2" above the bottom filled with perlite and thats it, no tubes, pumps or anything else.

How would the airstone work? Do I just place it in the bottom and dump perlite on top, or would I have to build a modified hempy?? If you can explain it to me I would appreciate it.

LexLuthor · Dec 27, 2012

I'm kinda noobish when it comes to hydro setups lol thats why I use simple hempy's.

Dirty White Boy · Dec 27, 2012

DO NOT put an airstone in the bottom of your hempy bucket.....DONT. you will get zero benefit.

ttystikk · Dec 27, 2012

Capulator said:
have you ever tried an airstone in the bottom of your hempys?

lex0415 said:
No, I use the hempy buckets with a hole 2" above the bottom filled with perlite and thats it, no tubes, pumps or anything else.

How would the airstone work? Do I just place it in the bottom and dump perlite on top, or would I have to build a modified hempy?? If you can explain it to me I would appreciate it.

I ran my RDWC with and without airstones. The sites with airstones were head and shoulders ahead of the sites without; a full-on beard dropping down into the water, vs a few peeking roots. This was while I was actively topfeeding with an irrigation system.

I figured out why it worked, too; the bubbles pop at the surface, causing the airspace between my netpots and the water to be damp and even to get nutrients from the splash.

I suspect you may see similar benefits from airstones in your hempy, provided that the airstone is placed so its bubbles break the water's surface and splash water up into the space.

Capulator · Dec 27, 2012

Dirty White Boy said:
DO NOT put an airstone in the bottom of your hempy bucket.....DONT. you will get zero benefit.

Did you try this on your last setup? I have never ran hempy, but I have seen a lot of folks talking about the benefit of airstones in the bottom of the hempy.

midwestdensies · Dec 27, 2012

Ive ran hempys and never used any airstones. I would like to know why one shouldnt?
Cap- are you talking about a pve tube in the bottom with holes drilled through the bottom of the rez?

Dirty White Boy · Dec 27, 2012

yes I have tried airstones in ma hempys.....this is a different style of growing.....its a wick system you will run into ph fluctuations and algae growth if you try too add in stones...this was a hard lesson learned...

And no thats crap.....anyone who said they added in a stone too a hempy is full of shit....it adds no benfits your only holding like 1/4 a gallon in a 5 gallon bucket.

Dirty White Boy · Dec 27, 2012

I am a tad drunk right now so please post your questions and Ill reply as soon as I can.....

ttystikk · Dec 27, 2012

I know what DWB's talking about here; if you oxygenate an otherwise uncontrolled solution, it's likely to become a mess.

The way I got around this was to build a full-on RDWC using 5 gallon buckets, 1" bulkheads and lines and 8" netpot bucket lids with chilled water, and then place a pump in the head bucket to run a topfeed irrigation system. This water runs down through the 50/50 hydroton/coco and back into the RDWC beneath, getting filtered as it goes. In addition, this runoff picks up beneficials living in the coco and disseminates them throughout the RDWC and to the other netpots. As I mentioned above, I've seen big benefits to running airstones in each RDWC site, as it encourages roots to come out of the coco and down into the water for a nice swim. So far, it's looking pretty darn good in there...

kushtrees · Dec 27, 2012

Putting an air stone at the bottom of a hempy would require modification as having media on your air stone is going to cause issues.

If you want to add air stones and not do DWC check out Krusty buckets. It's essentially a modified hempy/ SWC bucket using air lines I missed the days of Krusty but from what I've read he grew some fat trees

dankworth · Dec 28, 2012

My hater buckets borrow heavily from Krusty's design.
Different medium and bottom bucket, dtw, but other than that pretty similar.

ttystikk · Dec 28, 2012

I still want to see a 'Krusty bucket' and a 'hempy bucket', just so I know exactly wtf they are. I've read the descriptions plenty of times, but I'm not sure I'm properly picturing what they are and how they work.

midwestdensies · Dec 28, 2012

ttystikk said:
I still want to see a 'Krusty bucket' and a 'hempy bucket', just so I know exactly wtf they are. I've read the descriptions plenty of times, but I'm not sure I'm properly picturing what they are and how they work.

Put a hole in a bucket 2 inches up, fill past hose with aerated medium (hydroton or perlite) then the remaining mix choose how aerated you want the mix wither being coco or just strait aeration. some like 50-75% aeration. So essentially the middle layer wicks off the mini rex in the bottom

I personally prefer a square rubbermaid or tuff box tote that is in the 18-27 gallon range and putting 2 plants per tote. If using a tote, I put 2 holes, both on same size 2 1/2 in up from bottom. Hempys rule pretty much and you can make mini ones to see how they work which I recommend just to test before jumping all in. HOpe this helps ty.

Dankworth- Hater buckets fucking rock buddy. Thanks for all your work posting recipes and info, that shit really helped me grasp things.

MW

LexLuthor · Dec 28, 2012

Dirty White Boy said:
DO NOT put an airstone in the bottom of your hempy bucket.....DONT. you will get zero benefit.

Thats what I was thinking because the perlite will be on top of the airstone and I couldn't imagine how that would work.

ttystikk · Dec 28, 2012

midwestdensies said:
Put a hole in a bucket 2 inches up, fill past hose with aerated medium (hydroton or perlite) then the remaining mix choose how aerated you want the mix wither being coco or just strait aeration. some like 50-75% aeration. So essentially the middle layer wicks off the mini rex in the bottom

I personally prefer a square rubbermaid or tuff box tote that is in the 18-27 gallon range and putting 2 plants per tote. If using a tote, I put 2 holes, both on same size 2 1/2 in up from bottom. Hempys rule pretty much and you can make mini ones to see how they work which I recommend just to test before jumping all in. HOpe this helps ty.

Dankworth- Hater buckets fucking rock buddy. Thanks for all your work posting recipes and info, that shit really helped me grasp things.

MW

I can see why people like these- very straightforward. So is this a Krusty or a Hempy? And what are the differences between those? And how is a hater bucket different? Truth is, I just got a bit lost between all these terms.

midwestdensies · Dec 28, 2012

ttystikk said:
I can see why people like these- very straightforward. So is this a Krusty or a Hempy? And what are the differences between those? And how is a hater bucket different? Truth is, I just got a bit lost between all these terms.

Krusty is the man who made these (hempys) popular a while ago. You should just google those 2 words and see what you find, it shocked me too. So no difference one in the same.

Hater buckets are I believe all Dankworth on that one so big props. The tote has the same hole or holes 2 or so inches up for overflow as hempys. That is an aeration frame or net pot in a tote but only the aeration frame is filled with medium. Then put into the tote with holes in the lid for the frame to rest suspended in the tote. A few inches of water always is in the bottom thats aerated with an airstone or two. pretty dope and uses far less medium than a hempy bucket.

No problem. Let me know if I can further help explain but you can also look at dankworths threads because he preaches that system and throws up a few pics explaining probably easier.
MW

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