outwest
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SubCool's recipe does not call for coir, the base is roots organic which has coir as one of many ingredients. I do not boil or bake the soil. I think there were bugs in it, but caps bennies took care of that.
outwest
As soon as I get 25 posts I'm going to get those caps bennies.
Do you think it's a big deal if I substitute roots organic with fox farm ocean forest? It's just that I have a bag of ffof already.
Here was how I filled the pots:
1/3 Super Soil (about 2.5 gallons), then I mix about .5 gallon of Roots Organic with the top layer, then filled the rest of the pot with the super soil. (about 3 gallons)
When I started flowering, I topped of with another gallon of super soil. My longer running strain is 2.5 weeks out and not showing a drop of deficiency.
outwest
i used to use light warrior and that shit was terrible, i swear it would fuck up every seed it was used with. they'd get bad deficiencies and turn yellow quick, luckily i'd transplant and the new growth would be good. i havent had this problem since tossing the light warrior and making my own little simple mix. saves a lot of money too.
yeah i dont think ill ever buy a soil from fox farm again. too many bad experiences. although i still use their all purpose peace of mind fertilizer product with good results.. but i dont even like supporting them, might change that one out too hahaa.
thats why i dont like moonshine mans soil mix. looks like he was paid by fox farm to make that soil mix and promote it. one of the main reasons of making your own soil is to save money and his soil mix costs over $100. its actually not even really a soil mix. its just combining different soils haha. u can start from scratch with peat moss, ewc, compost, perlite and some amendments for about $6 a cubic foot. and i would think it would be better then anything fox farm has.
It's super hot the roots organic has enough nutes to let the roots grow and get established. By the time they hit the super soil, they are ready for the nute boost.
I find the plants hit that layer, kind of jolt for a second, then really take off. Apparently planting directly in super soil will fry the plants.
outwest
the radish thing is a good idea.
i dont think these soil mixes use nearly as many nutes as you would hitting it with bottled nutes. ive always thought they were light and if they are too hot you can always just cut back on the amounts like 2 cups instead of 5 or what not... or cut it with an organic bagged soil or just peat moss.
i dont know, i love the idea of these super soils and just adding water and have had amazing results so far. and making the soil and trying new things never gets old to me. its very entertaining.
First, thanks for responding, I had to get that off my chest.
nuts/nutes, I was put off by this abbreviation when I first encountered it.
Basically, my conclusion is going to be that all the soil mixes are basicly ok, but most are way too hot, even after cooking down, and even for larger established plants.
Please keep in mind that most growers will have to substitute something in any recipie, as we can only use stuff we can source. Also, the quality of natural ingredients can vary, often quite a bit.
To keep a long story short, less is more. Hard lesson, learned a few times over, a few different ways.
Having followed the basic pattern for a soil mix, what ever I put in, was too much.
I still use that same dirt, only now it has been cut and flushed a few times over, and only the most minimal supplementation is needed now.
For someone starting out, I would reccomend finding a way to reuse the money that you already spent, use less than what is reccomended, and try to grow a radish in it first.
Not kidding about the sacrificial radish, they are edibly mature in 3-4 weeks. Much cheaper than frying expensive canna seeds.
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