That's funny.. I mean not you, where you got them from.. I think I tried a couple bags from them when they had the sale going on. Just to check it out. Really great soil. Like you I wish the local hydro store carried it.It's expensive ... but its good stuff. I used to use it when I could purchase it for $17 a bag. It's over $30 now locally. I'd have to make an hour and a half round trip to Grow Green Mi to get it cheaper ... at around $24 a bag.
Are you in Michigan? I'm in the Lansing area and I purchase most of my stuff locally at Grow Generation. With the "grower's club discount" (free to sign up) prices are very reasonable at Grow Gen. Unfortunately they don't stock Lush. I asked why. They said its so expensive many people won't buy it.That's funny.. I mean not you, where you got them from.. I think I tried a couple bags from them when they had the sale going on. Just to check it out. Really great soil. Like you I wish the local hydro store carried it.
No .. when I got first wind of the Lush I could only find it in Michigan. I've visited there as a young kid but no I don't live in that area, I'm way out here on the West Coast Southern California. I don't remember what I paid for the shipping but the sale was to good to pass up when I got it.Are you in Michigan? I'm in the Lansing area and I purchase most of my stuff locally at Grow Generation. With the "grower's club discount" (free to sign up) prices are very reasonable at Grow Gen. Unfortunately they don't stock Lush. I asked why. They said its so expensive many people won't buy it.
I have used all those but never at one time. Each of those nutes , is for 3 stages of growth. Not to be fed simultaneously. Are you using the soluble with the liquid? That's more than I think I have ever fed my plants . I feed once a week and alternate the soluble in place of liquid . I have used the sledge hammer once last year and then resumed nutes .I checked ppfd it was in range but I will check again. I have been using this feed schedule but only Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom, Grow Big. Also open sesame, beasty blooms, cha ching. Have been using 1 tsp/gal cal mag. Feeding 2 times par week. No sledgehammer flush.
I have used all those but never at one time. Are you using the soluble with the liquid? That's more than I think I have ever fed my plants . I feed once a week and alternate the soluble in place of liquid . I have used the sledge hammer once last year and then resumed nutes .
It's expensive ... but its good stuff. I used to use it when I could purchase it for $17 a bag. It's over $30 now locally. I'd have to make an hour and a half round trip to Grow Green Mi to get it cheaper ... at around $24 a bag.
Ive never seen a webpage that says that you should adjust your PH based on what youre feeding instead of based in your medium. There's charts for soil and charts for coco, not charts for synthetics and charts for organic (when it comes to nutrient availability due to PH in the medium). The only difference Ive ever seen mentioned is that 7ph is okay for organic because the microorganisms do most of the job decomposing the nutrients but even in that situation the nutrient absorption will go up if you go to 6,2ph for veg and 6,5 ph for flower. Another thing to consider is that peat is highly acidic (between 3.0 and 4.5) unlike coco coir (5.5 to 6.8) and while soils already calibrate the PH for you those PH buffers are gonna end up degrading with time and being absorved by the plant like lime. Also when you water lime youre introducing carbon dioxide which also makes lime lose its alkalinity over time. Ive never had a problem with ph since I made the golden rule to never ever go below 6 and try to get as close as 6,5 as possible in flower.So then it's a synthetic grow...not organic. Right?
I use Coast of Maine for my veggie garden. Its loaded with all kinds of land and sea goodies. I get 2cft for $21.No .. when I got first wind of the Lush I could only find it in Michigan. I've visited there as a young kid but no I don't live in that area, I'm way out here on the West Coast Southern California. I don't remember what I paid for the shipping but the sale was to good to pass up when I got it.View attachment 2467846
I just did a quick Google and first thing that pops up is this ...When using synthetic nutrients, especially in hydroponic and soilless systems, maintaining the proper pH is crucial for optimal plant growth.Ive never seen a webpage that says that you should adjust your PH based on what youre feeding instead of based in your soil. There's charts for soil and charts for coco, not charts for synthetics and charts for organic (when it comes to nutrient availability due to PH). The only difference Ive ever seen mentioned is that 7ph is okay for organic because the microorganisms do most of the job decomposing the nutrients but even in that situation the nutrient absorption will go up if you go to 6,2ph for veg and 6,5 ph for flower. Another thing to consider is that peat is highly acidic (between 3.0 and 4.5) unlike coco coir (5.5 to 6.8) and while soils already calibrate the PH for you those PH buffers are gonna end up degrading with time and being absorved by the plant like lime. Also when you water lime youre introducing carbon dioxide which also makes lime lose its alkalinity over time. Ive never had a problem with ph since I made the golden rule to never ever go below 6 and try to get as close as 6,5 as possible in flower.
All that being said, Im happy if we agree to disagree or if you have some counter arguments that you wanna share and debate.
I use Coast of Maine for my veggie garden. Its loaded with all kinds of land and sea goodies. I get 2cft for $21.
I'm flowering 2 Querkle in it in 3 gallon pots. Lets see if it will feed them for 8 weeks.View attachment 2468412
You said it yourself, ph of 5,5-6,5 is for hydroponic which includes coco but he is using peat. Peat is not an inert medium and needs higher ph when watering, your confused Im afraid. It provides nutrients by itself, it also buffers more nutrients and its chemically active. Just google if peat is an inert media and you will get the answer. The chart I shared and the sites where I take them say nothing about microorganisms or organic, and most charts are done in commercial farming grounds or labs where they use synthetic fertilizers. Again youre confused hehe the ph has nothing to do with the feeding being organic or not, peat needs higher ph or you will risk toasting your plants and affecting nutrient uptake when the ph buffers start to degrade.I just did a quick Google and first thing that pops up is this ...When using synthetic nutrients, especially in hydroponic and soilless systems, maintaining the proper pH is crucial for optimal plant growth.
Generally, the recommended pH range for synthetic nutrients in hydroponic and soilless systems is between 5.5 and 6.5.
But it's a mute point on this thread, seems like the FF nutrients line is supposedly "organic"?
I get what your saying about the soil, and peat moss by itself is an inert media. Might as well be Coco... Both are inert media. It's when you add the carbon based media (like the Aged forest Product) earthworm castings, bat quano , etc is where it begins to lean towards the organic soil side of things.
If your using the coco or peat moss straight with no inputs then the recommended pH is the 5.5-6.5 for synthetic nutes as your feeding the plant straight away.
If your in organic soil, relying on microbiol activity to feed the plant for you, then it would be in the range on that chart you shared here.
To be honest I just had my head in my ass and saw bottles and just assumed it was synthetic nutrients.
Are they?
Synganics Grow?
I looked into it when it was mentioned and I think I saw that fox farms has both organic and synth but it doesnt matter, what matters is the medium not the kind of fertilizers but it could be the case that there's organics in the chart of synthetics too. Athena does that and its considered one of the best organic lines, it has organic, synthetic and bio-mineral components in the same line.To be honest I just had my head in my ass and saw bottles and just assumed it was synthetic nutrients.
Are they?
Synganics Grow?
It kind of does. Because synthetic nutes do not stay in the soil as organic nutes does. There's a difference. Synthetic nutes can only be absorbed in passing (of the roots) nothing like organics where it sits with the roots in harmony. You don't want synthetic nutes sitting there at the root system, your supposed to feed synthetic nutes till run off to prevent any build up of synthetic nutes in the root system for the salt buildup which can have a negative affect on the root system. This is why we don't drink water from the sea. Just not good for you. And not good for plants either. Organic however, can and should sit with the roots, they have a symbiotic relationship. Not the same with synthetic.I looked into it when it was mentioned and I think I saw that fox farms has both organic and synth but it doesnt matter, what matters is the medium not the kind of fertilizers but it could be the case that there's organics in the chart of synthetics too. Athena does that and its considered one of the best organic lines, it has organic, synthetic and bio-mineral components in the same line.
Peat does buffer synthetic nutrients aswell, the difference with organic liquids is the absoprtion rate since synthetic are 100% readily available for the plant. Yes, you should be careful with salt build up but I dont know what has to do with peat not being an inert medium like you said and charts focusing on type of soil instead of type of nutrients.It kind of does. Because synthetic nutes do not stay in the soil as organic nutes does. There's a difference. Synthetic nutes can only be absorbed in passing (of the roots) nothing like organics where it sits with the roots in harmony. You don't want synthetic nutes sitting there at the root system, your supposed to feed synthetic nutes till run off to prevent any build up of synthetic nutes in the root system for the salt buildup which can have a negative affect on the root system. This is why we don't drink water from the sea. Just not good for you. And not good for plants either. Organic however, can and should sit with the roots, they have a symbiotic relationship. Not the same with synthetic.
Wanna rectify something here, athena is considered one of the best lines* is not organic, it has organic components in the line but also synthetics so it cant qualify as organic, I meant to say its the best known brand that mixes all types of nutrients in the same line.I looked into it when it was mentioned and I think I saw that fox farms has both organic and synth but it doesnt matter, what matters is the medium not the kind of fertilizers but it could be the case that there's organics in the chart of synthetics too. Athena does that and its considered one of the best organic lines, it has organic, synthetic and bio-mineral components in the same line.
I doubt the peat changes or can change the pH of synthetic on passing. That should be done beforehand when premixing your solution. Everyone knows that.Peat does buffer synthetic nutrients aswell, the difference with organic liquids is the absoprtion rate since synthetic are 100% readily available for the plant. Yes, you should be careful with salt build up but I dont know what has to do with peat not being an inert medium like you said and charts focusing on type of soil instead of type of nutrients.
I think youre not reading what I say and youre not focusing on the point. Peat will change the ph of your soil if your buffers degrade and thats very common with dolomite lime for example as I already mentioned. Also the charts show the availability of nutrients based on PH, nothing to do with type of nutrients. Peat is chemically active because is NOT an inert medium si yes it does interact with the PH of your soil. I think at this point Im just gonna agree to disagree because I think youre not understanding what Im trying to say or Im not understanding what youre trying to convey. In any case if 5,5ph works for you in soil Im not gonna tell you otherwise, but for me its 6,2 for veg and 6,5 for flower.I doubt the peat changes or can change the pH of synthetic on passing. That should be done beforehand when premixing your solution. Everyone knows that.
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