Anybody Building Larger Grows In Michigan?

OlgaStruthio · Mar 22, 2017

Is anyone moving forward with larger grows in Michigan? Not rumors or "hey, Thera-Cann is moving in to take over" -- are any other small growers stepping up? None of the other small growers I know are entering the new game, they are scared off by the regulations, permit costs, and open-door inspections.

I've had a 72 plant legal grow in Michigan for years. It's been a fun hobby and small business, but now we need to figure out the future game of the regulated 500 to 1500 plant grows under Michigan's new laws. I'm on the fence, but probably moving forward if I find an appropriate legally zoned location, and if I really think wholesale prices will stay over $1000 / pound.

I recently attended a seminar put on for the benefit of local government, to help them plan out new ordinances and regulations. This is an area of woods, small towns and villages, mostly conservative people. There were about 100 people there, 98 local government representatives and 2 growers. There was a HUGE amount of uncertainty and confusion about how townships should proceed with regulations. The local government people were happy to talk to me, and curious about how my end of the business worked. For the most part they could tolerate the grows, processors, and laboratories, but few townships wanted to see more retail storefronts.

The disarray, lack of preparation, and lack of clear direction and purpose was very evident. It seemed unlikely that most of these local governments will be ready with regulations and zoning by this December.

Anyway, that's what it looks like up north. What have you found?

DemonTrich · Mar 22, 2017

Good luck

Hope your pockets are super super deep, I'm talking MILLIONS of cash dollars and investors. If not, stay where your at. I may change my game.up.and go the concentrate route.

MiMadman · Mar 22, 2017

This was set up for our industry to b taken over. In future no one will bable to grow periode. Snyder...has been scheming from beginning.

DemonTrich · Mar 22, 2017

We'll just go back underground. Fuck big biz, and monsanto.

OlgaStruthio · Mar 22, 2017

This sounds to me like giving up before the fight has even started. Sure, the cards are stacked against us, but I don't think we've lost yet.

The largest grow proposal I've heard of around here is Thera-cann's pitch involving 20 licensed growers under their roof, 100 employees, a $20M project. I think good hard-working growers can likely compete with that facility on both price and quality, unless Thera-Cann is planning a very low return on their investment.

I own and operate another small business also. It's not tiny, not huge, grossing somewhere in the 6 figure range. We compete with nationwide brands that dominate our local landscape, Companies 10,000 times our size taking up 80% of the business. Still, we do well, with the business profitable and growing every year. It may be surprising, but plenty of people intentionally frequent non-franchise owner-operated businesses. Many people we meet do this out of just the anti-big-business attitudes you guys righteously display. The Internet and online reviews have leveled the playing field, so these customers can find us even with our non-existent advertising budget. This smells like opportunity to me.

The biggest things that worry me are:

Evil politicians kill the whole above-ground industry
Outdoor grows overwhelm the market
Prices for quality bud fall below $1000/pound, or below maybe $15/g for extracts
The State of Michigan does something stupid developing the regulations

Yeah, some of those are distinct possibilities....

kushdaking · May 10, 2017

OlgaStruthio said:
This sounds to me like giving up before the fight has even started. Sure, the cards are stacked against us, but I don't think we've lost yet.

The largest grow proposal I've heard of around here is Thera-cann's pitch involving 20 licensed growers under their roof, 100 employees, a $20M project. I think good hard-working growers can likely compete with that facility on both price and quality, unless Thera-Cann is planning a very low return on their investment.

I own and operate another small business also. It's not tiny, not huge, grossing somewhere in the 6 figure range. We compete with nationwide brands that dominate our local landscape, Companies 10,000 times our size taking up 80% of the business. Still, we do well, with the business profitable and growing every year. It may be surprising, but plenty of people intentionally frequent non-franchise owner-operated businesses. Many people we meet do this out of just the anti-big-business attitudes you guys righteously display. The Internet and online reviews have leveled the playing field, so these customers can find us even with our non-existent advertising budget. This smells like opportunity to me.

The biggest things that worry me are:

Evil politicians kill the whole above-ground industry

Outdoor grows overwhelm the market

Prices for quality bud fall below $1000/pound, or below maybe $15/g for extracts

The State of Michigan does something stupid developing the regulations

Yeah, some of those are distinct possibilities....

If the rec law passes there granting small businesses 150 plant licenses

DemonTrich · May 11, 2017

3 of my warehouse guys have now sold their operations. With the "New rec legal" bullshit! Going around, their getting out now before the market takes a dive to the shitter. Be prepared to have home grows become illegal, and big biz take over.

DOW plant is going to be turned into a MAJOR I door grow up. Already in the works and building is paid for.

rascali · May 12, 2017

"If the rec law passes there granting small businesses 150 plant licenses"

and this is what every grower has been dreaming about for years, the mythical small vineyard paradigm. the way legalization has proceeded across the country it seemed to fade further and further from possibility... and then this.

pray to your gods, pray hard folks.

DemonTrich · May 12, 2017

I'll takes small biz licence for xx$ please. And a processor one to boot. Better start selling a kidney now on Craigslist. Lol

kushdaking · May 14, 2017

DemonTrich said:
3 of my warehouse guys have now sold their operations. With the "New rec legal" bullshit! Going around, their getting out now before the market takes a dive to the shitter. Be prepared to have home grows become illegal, and big biz take over.

DOW plant is going to be turned into a MAJOR I door grow up. Already in the works and building is paid for.

It's a possibility. Not concrete and what your not understanding is these huge ops won't tarnish our market for atleast 18 months. You think these are gonna go up with no hiccups and be producing quality meds for dirt cheap in 6 months?? Colorado took 3 years to effect that home growers and they've had collectives for a long ass time

kushdaking · May 14, 2017

I'll be ok there not producing this kind of quality atleast not anytime soon lol

IG @greenmotor_farms

DemonTrich · May 14, 2017

I do this for a living. 18 months until I get put out of business by shit garbage product and big biz.

kushdaking · May 14, 2017

DemonTrich said:
I do this for a living. 18 months until I get put out of business by shit garbage product and big biz.

I also do this for a living. Have been for some time now. I've done this before medical when growers were underground. So if that's what it takes then I'm good either way.

MIMedGrower · May 14, 2017

DemonTrich said:
I do this for a living. 18 months until I get put out of business by shit garbage product and big biz.

I am sure you will be just fine Demon.

MIMedGrower · May 14, 2017

kushdaking said:
I also do this for a living. Have been for some time now. I've done this before medical when growers were underground. So if that's what it takes then I'm good either way.

I agree. I am not worried. Quality will always have its place.

DemonTrich · May 14, 2017

I have more than just flowering under my belt. Processing distillate (in the very near future), processing harvests for growers , cloning, making meds, etc.

Juicebox · May 14, 2017

I watched a episode of of that show on vice where they boot legal grows and dispensary doors in and just take all your assets .....including homes cars kids toys literally everything.....has the situation improved any?

MIMedGrower · May 14, 2017

DemonTrich said:
I have more than just flowering under my belt. Processing distillate (in the very near future), processing harvests for growers , cloning, making meds, etc.

Look out for a pm from me soon bud. I am very interested in your near future plans.

And I realize the work you have put in man. One look at your Grow room shows the top tier of professional growing in my opinion. I am sure you have very loyal patients and very jealous competition.

That is why some of us will always be just fine regardless of politics and law.

MIMedGrower · May 14, 2017

Juicebox said:
I watched a episode of of that show on vice where they boot legal grows and dispensary doors in and just take all your assets .....including homes cars kids toys literally everything.....has the situation improved any?

Unfortunately when they have an agenda they do whatever they want. They always will.

Stay far under the radar is my permanent advice on this issue.

Highatollah · May 15, 2017

Microbreweries are still in business despite the fact that Budweiser is cheaper and has a bigger presence.

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