Anyone ever use any bud hardener? (density)

[theslums]

just surious if anyone ever used ant bud hardening additive? i want to optimize my density of my buds any input please thanks

 

[robz]

Hombolt's Gravity. It works period!

 

[cindy99 king]

canna pk13-14:joint:

 

[Lost]

I've used gravity.. Just use waaay less than they tell u, like 1 ml a gallon :)

 

[ludacris]

what exactly does humbolt gravity do to the buds?

 

[robz]

It primarily Is a bud hardener. Kelp extract and yes it is strong. 1ml. Per gal is what I used.

 

[altitudefarmer]

I can vouch for Gravity. Same dosage as above^^^. I don't always use it, but I have in the past.

 

[crom]

Does it harden all strains equally? For instance sativas are not as dense as indicas, so would Gravity help a sativa dom flower harden? Anyone do a side by side test to see the yield difference? When did you apply it altitudefarmer? Damn 1 ml? That's some dank stuff!

Cheers,
Crom

 

[theslums]

Does it harden all strains equally? For instance sativas are not as dense as indicas, so would Gravity help a sativa dom flower harden? Anyone do a side by side test to see the yield difference? When did you apply it altitudefarmer? Damn 1 ml? That's some dank stuff!

Cheers,
Crom

yea thats what i want to know how much of a difference did it make?

 

[robz]

It has made the nugs on my Jock Horror a lot more dense then they would be without it. Sativa Dom
No side by side test as all my plants get it now in the last 2 weeks of flowering. Last crop I didn't use it & I can definatley tell the diff

 

[bootlegbrewer]

I have used gravity before on both sativa and indica dominant plants. I like what it did for the Sativa dom. plants. I don't like to use it on a plant that has dense buds to start with. The buds become so dense they almost feel woody. I had to grind them to get it to smoke right.

 

[altitudefarmer]

Does it harden all strains equally? For instance sativas are not as dense as indicas, so would Gravity help a sativa dom flower harden? Anyone do a side by side test to see the yield difference? When did you apply it altitudefarmer? Damn 1 ml? That's some dank stuff!

Cheers,
Crom

I use kelp and B vitamins throughout my plants' life cycles, now, so I don't see much of a difference when I blast them at the end, but here's how I used to do it:

3/4 through bloom, run the Gravity for 3 days; about 10 days before you start your flush.
Drop your nutrients by half, like the bottle recommends, and add .5-1 ml per gallon. After 3 days, change rez again and go back to full strength for a week before flushing. This method worked best for me, period.
Now, a couple times I only drained half the reservoir, so there still was a little Gravity in the solution, and then topped and set pH/EC back to full strength. In my opinion, when they really show the difference is when you change that rez back- it kinda kicks 'em in the pants.
That extra reservoir change is a pain. If I only had one reservoir to worry about, though, that's the way I'd do it.
Less is more, with any of the Humboldt's Own products...
Peace

 

[organickat]

I've been using gravity w/ultra snow for years and it work great on sat Dom plants but don't over do it and watch for mold with indicas

 

[MrMarley]

Gravity is viagra for buds!!.. Snow storm or purple maxx for tight spacing..
I also suggest using honey or some type of molasses during flowering.. That and some co2 will make your buds like rocks!!

 

[crom]

Interested

It has made the nugs on my Jock Horror a lot more dense then they would be without it. Sativa Dom
No side by side test as all my plants get it now in the last 2 weeks of flowering. Last crop I didn't use it & I can definatley tell the diff

When you say the last 2 weeks of bloom do you mean the two weeks prior to a 2 week flush? OR Do you mean that you use it up to harvest? Just clarifying.

The description in the catalog says "use once or twice about 3 weeks before the end of a plants cycle. Adds size and weight to flowering plants." NPK of 0-2-0

Would I have to cut anything from my feeding to accommodate this product? IE Cha Ching?

Cheers,
Crom

 

[GanjaGardener]

I use it w/ soiless-hydro during final trimester. 1st week- 1/2 tsp/ 5 gal + full nutes; begin 10 das (before->flush), 1 tsp/5gal, 1/2 nutes. I've searched/posted on the net trying to pin down the product's bio-chemistry but have come up blank, thus far. It's such a strong-ass additive, there has to be more to it than a proprietary kelp bed. The concentration % of the extract, the B vitamins, the phosphoric acid?- whatever the active agent(s) is, it's powerful enough to knock plants into N lock if used too early or too heavily.
I agree w/ what bootlegbrewer said above about not using it w/ already dense buds. Some buds get so hard, they feel like they've been seeded.

 

[crom]

What is the ppm of 1 ml of this stuff? I have the same thought as GanjaGardener, I don't need to know the "secret" blend, but it'd be nice to know what I'm feeding my plants/body. Yeah kelp doesn't do that by itself. I always wonder when I see a product like this if they are using a different product, like say SuperThrive, and don't want to get in trouble for it. But hell if it does what I'm hearing I'm thinking of doing some runs with it. Thanks for the info Farmers.

Cheers,
Crom

 

[Oatmeleon]

I plan on trying gravity out on my SLH's soon but for now I use overdrive which builds calyxes and makes them swell instead of hardening what already exists, but it does give me denser colas overall than if i didnt use it...

oat

 

[crom]

I plan on trying gravity out on my SLH's soon but for now I use overdrive which builds calyxes and makes them swell instead of hardening what already exists, but it does give me denser colas overall than if i didnt use it...

oat

What would you say the approximate weight difference was with and without Overdrive? My SLH is a small-medium yielder, how are you growing your out? Such a great tasting strain she is. I'm interested in your results with SLH and Gravity.

Cheers,
Crom

 

[GanjaGardener]

What is the ppm of 1 ml of this stuff? I have the same thought as GanjaGardener, I don't need to know the "secret" blend, but it'd be nice to know what I'm feeding my plants/body. Yeah kelp doesn't do that by itself. I always wonder when I see a product like this if they are using a different product, like say SuperThrive, and don't want to get in trouble for it. But hell if it does what I'm hearing I'm thinking of doing some runs with it.
Cheers,
Crom

Not trusting my math, I measured in mls last night-
1ml Gravity/1qt H2O (7.00 pH, 0.00 ec)
ec- minus 0.004 (almost nil)
pH- minus 0.70 (7.00 ->6.30)
No doubt, kelp is acidic- I use liquified kelp to lower pH in solutions that have enough room for the ec/ppm bump. Although the numbers will vary somewhat from brand to brand, 7ml liq kelp/qt H2O will lower the pH 0.70 (7->6.3) and raise the ec by 1.2 (0.04->1.20 If my figures are right, that would mean that Gravity provides 7x the acidic strength of liquid kelp and does so w/ only a minimal amount of DS's in solution. In other words, Gravity packs a lot of acidic punch in a small container. The other ingredients-phosphoric acid and the B's are complementary nute/addies w/ any kelp product and while they will help to enhance the effect of the active agent/s, they wouldn't be the major player.

This has led me to *hypothesize* that the source of the active ingredient in Gravity is exactly what the label says it is- kelp. (Truth in advertising? Now that would be a novel concept.) While I'm certain that the company has experimented w/ kelp strains and come up w/ some favorites, my thought is that the secret is in the processing- the "proprietary" extraction method- what gets separated out and what's done w/ what's left behind.

I have no ambition to uncover anyone's secret formula. I say congrats to the enterprising spirit who came up w/ a little gem that does what it says it does- makes buds denser and harder. Denser, harder = bag appeal. That being said, Gravity is not an integral part of my nute/addie program but it's good to have on hand to firm up buds that are wispier than I'd like them to be, particularly during the final couple of weeks before harvest because of the low ec.