Aquashield Questions~ Make your own poultry tea??

[Chronic Monster]

Chron im tellin you I personally think it would be a fail. Organics and hydroponics have never really gone together well....

Thanks dex, can you better explain why.

I understand that in hydroponics organics are not needed and the point of microbes is to break down organic mater into inorganic material so that plants can uptake them in a typical medium.
In hydroponics chemical nutrients are immediately available so there is no need for microbes, Unless you are using them for root health.
That being said I used Pura Vida for about a dozen runs and loved the stuff, Giddeon is also having good success with organic nutrients as well.

What I am confused about is I don't see why aquashield(an organic product) would be recommended so highly as a preventive for root health, but a homemade poultry tea would be a fail.

If you look Ucmenow's who is kinda the UC poster child, his fav root zone product is EWC tea, which is both organic and homemade.

 

[motherlode]

trying to be more thoughtfuller

when you say hydro what do you mean

I think an undercurrent is way different then a dwc or even a few of the rdwc setups I have seen

its a whole different beast - much more wate movement and aeration and lots of nooks and crannies for shit to build up in

daniel highly advices against using heavy/dirty organics in the setup

I have a friend who does dwc and swears by pura vida - not they way I would go but it works for him

 

[Chronic Monster]

Im not looking to argue with anyone, just trying to better understand the dynamics of what other growers are saying as to why this would be a bad idea. I do have experience with rdwc, so Im not talking about something I am totally unfamiliar with. But I am here to learn from people better than me, in the process I hope to get an understanding of the principles and not just follow others instructions without understanding the logic behind them.
I have peeped both your journals and think you both kill it, and appreciate both you taking time to comment on something I am curious about and anyone else for that matter. :joint:
So far I got 2 votes for NO.. and zero votes for yes. Maybe DS was a yes Im not sure by reading his post.

 

[dextr0]

Just based on what ive seen in the past youll end up with nasty shit. EWC is a whole nother aspect. Ive seen EWC and aquashield used together alot of times in DWC.

Anyway organics and hydro. Umm it goes like this, Basically when u have organics as we all know it needs to be broke down. We know bacteria, fungi, etc. do this for us right. Ok well there's two problems, one the organisms are reproducing at a high rate, two; they use all the dissolved oxygen for themselves. Biochemical oxygen demand.

 

[Chronic Monster]

by hydro I mean water culture, I do own a UC(13gal 8 site) and have ran pura vida in in multiple times with no problems.
I am not running the UC at the moment, but after I get an electrician out to give me a lil something more to work with ill be firing it back up again.

 

[dextr0]

Im not sayin dont try it or anything like that. I just hope u do change the water every now and again. I just think it would stink. Like having a tea brewing for however many days you feel like going.

 

[Chronic Monster]

Just based on what ive seen in the past youll end up with nasty shit. EWC is a whole nother aspect. Ive seen EWC and aquashield used together alot of times in DWC.

Anyway organics and hydro. Umm it goes like this, Basically when u have organics as we all know it needs to be broke down. We know bacteria, fungi, etc. do this for us right. Ok well there's two problems, one the organisms are reproducing at a high rate, two; they use all the dissolved oxygen for themselves. Biochemical oxygen demand.

So we can agree aquashield is ok for a (r)dwc system.
and ewc tea is also ok..

This is what I am confused about, why is it when a person adds aquashield or ewc tea,,they don't have organisms reproducing at a high rate and taking all the oxygen out of the water?

*again, sorry Im not trying to be augmentative, just trying to better understand, thanks for taking the time to help me understand* :joint:

 

[dextr0]

all that comes to my mind when you say that is that these are clean products. EWC in itself is pretty damn clean. Ive left some ewc tea for like 2 weeks and it still was good.

With things like poultry compost its not the same at all. You do have another breakdown process that takes place. When fermenting I extract all the extra leaves left over after a couple of days. Why? If i leave them be it starts getting gross. For some reason this calls on some other guys to start breaking shit down, and like I said the smell is out of there.

Thats all I can think of mane. Im not tellin you to do it or not do it. I have always wondered though how someone would use Fermented plant extracts and etc in hydro.

 

[SOCALKUSHTECH]

biggest plants I ever seen were grown in abandoned chicken coops.. 30-40' cannabis trees... that shit is no joke!

 

[Capulator]

Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) / How to make LAB
How to make LAB
Tools

Clay jar (a big and a small one)
Porous paper ( Korean paper or paper towel), rubber band

Materials

Rice-washed water
NOTE: Obtain strong indigenous pure stocks of lactic acid bacteria in a given region by using rice-washed water. By cultivating massive amounts of bacteria, they can continually be applied to the soil.
Milk (unprocessed, if possible)

Environments

Optimum temperature is 23~25°C
A cool and shaded area with no sunlight
Little change in the environment

Methods

Pour rice-washed water up to 5.9~7.9in deep in a jar and cover the mouth of the jar with porous paper. That the rice-washed water must occupy 2/3 the volume of the jar.
Lactic acid bacteria populate at 23~25°C. Three to four days later, the jar will have 3 divided layers: floating matter, clear liquid, and dregs. It starts to emit a sour smell unique to lactic acid bacteria. The separated layer of clear liquid contains the lactic acid bacteria (called LAB pure stock). This liquid is used.
Pour milk in the big jar. The ideal ratio of milk and rice water is 10:1.
Since milk has more nutrients than rice-washed water, the lactic acid bacteria grow vigorously. In 5-7 days at 23~25°C, starch, protein, and fat float on the surface (called cheese) and light yellow liquid (LAB serum) remains below the cheese.
When LAB are produced after 7 days, remove the cheese, which is separated from LAB. If the cheese is left as is, the cheese melts and undergoes a secondary reaction. This cannot be used as LAB.
The LAB serum can be kept after filtering and refining.
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We were also talking about it here and a couple of us made some. I need to make some more. Its really easy mane, ill explain anything if u dont understand...jus gotta ask.

Is this anythign like BOKASHI juice?

 

[dextr0]

Is this anythign like BOKASHI juice?

No BOKASHI juice would probably have a pretty good npk...this is us trying to breed a specific bacteria. I think it can be used as a sterilizer; knock bad smells down, and breaks things down. Lactic Acid Bacteria....thats what we trien to breed.

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Picked this up the other day...wonder how it would compare?

 

[SSHZ]

After years using Botanicare products, I added AquaShield to my feeding program recently. I owned it for a while but didn't use it because I was using only plant based nutes- see Kyle Kushman. I was worried it was going to smell awful, as most do too. But I was surprised to find it was basically a clear liquid with no smell. I add 10 ml per gallon. I am happy with the results and plan on continuing to use it regularly. Take note- I believe it's only supposed to be used every 5-7 days so if you feed every 2-3 days, adjust the amount given or skip using it every other watering.....

 

[dextr0]

You can use it in hydro too right???

 

[SSHZ]

Yes.......I don't see why not. Mine is in pro-mix though.