I need that kirkwood! Where can I find them doc?

I'm glad I saw this thread as I too was wondering how archive seeds were.really would like to get my hands on the hell raiser and overflo

Anyone ( Doc ? ) know anything about og seed co ? They seem to have stock right now ?

jessejames12345 said:

Anyone ( Doc ? ) know anything about og seed co ? They seem to have stock right now ?

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http://ogseedco.com/index.php?optio...e=shop.browse&Itemid=1&limit=20&limitstart=20

in case anyone is looking '

I saw they were available aat the hempdepot, or at least they were a week ago

We all looking for much needed info on releases and strains! I've been peeping out those kirkwood beans as well as grimace and valley girl. .
I've tried pm'ing him through here and couple other forums as well as twitter almost all year.lol But no response. Im going to just stay tuned in till he gets some spare time on his hands. I'm not giving up that easy! I love my OGs 2 much!

guys DO NOT buy Archive gear from OG Seeds Co . He had some of the hard to find strains listed for sale last week , and ,well , after buying AND PAYING for them I get an email saying they arent in stock .

NOW i just get an email from paypal saying his refund failed due to NSF funds . that's almost $500 wasted .
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... I got the heads up that the seeds were available on OG seed co on another thread.. FROM a representative from Archive .
So pissed : (

jessejames12345 said:

guys DO NOT buy Archive gear from OG Seeds Co . He had some of the hard to find strains listed for sale last week , and ,well , after buying AND PAYING for them I get an email saying they arent in stock .

NOW i just get an email from paypal saying his refund failed due to NSF funds . that's almost $500 wasted .
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... I got the heads up that the seeds were available on OG seed co on another thread.. FROM a representative from Archive .
So pissed : (

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PayPal has to give you back your money, File a Claim, don't give up CALL CALL CALL them fuckers at Paypal, tell them you'll call your Lawyer, they have to Refund your money!!!!!!!!!

a13. Protection for Buyers
13.1 How am I protected if I have a problem with a purchase?
PayPal Buyer Protection is available for purchases you make both on eBay and off eBay:

• Purchases made on eBay
• For eligible items, protection is available for both items not received (INR) and significantly not as described (SNAD); and
• Purchases made off eBay
• For eligible items protection is available for INR only

If the problem you're trying to resolve involves a transaction that you did not authorize, please report the unauthorized transaction through the PayPal Security Center at https://www.paypal.com/security.

13.2 What are the eligibility requirements for PayPal Buyer Protection?

You must meet all of these requirements:

• Use PayPal to purchase an eligible item
• Pay for the full amount of the item with one payment. Items purchased with multiple payments – like a deposit followed by a final payment – are not eligible
• Open a dispute within 45 days of the date you sent the payment – then follow the online dispute resolution process described below under Dispute Resolution
• Keep your PayPal account in good standing

In addition, for items purchased on eBay, you must meet the following requirements:

Send the payment to the seller through:

• The eBay Pay Now button
• An eBay invoice
• The Send Money tab on the PayPal website, by clicking the Purchase tab and selecting eBay Items or by clicking the Pay for eBay Item tab

In addition, for items purchased off eBay, you must meet all of these requirements:

Send the payment to the seller through:

• The Send Money tab on the PayPal website by clicking the Purchase tab and selecting Goods
• The seller's PayPal checkout flow

The item you purchase must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped

How do I know if I'm purchasing an eligible Item? The following applies in addition to section 13.8, below:

Items purchased on eBay:

Look for the buyer protection message in the eBay listing in the right hand column under the Buy Safely banner. If you see this message, and you meet the eligibility requirements, then your purchase is covered by PayPal Buyer Protection. You can also view this message after you complete your purchase by logging in to your eBay account, going to "my eBay" and looking at the listing. If the listing does not include the buyer protection message, then it is not eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection.

The buyer protection message will vary based on the eBay website. The following is an example of the PayPal Buyer Protection message:



Items purchased off eBay:

Items are eligible unless they are excluded below:

• Real estate, motor vehicles, capital equipment, travel tickets, and events tickets
• Intangible items
• Services
• Items purchased using PayPal Payments Pro or Virtual Terminal
• You may not file a dispute for a Personal Payment

13.3 How much coverage do I get with PayPal Buyer Protection?

Items purchased on eBay:

If you see the PayPal Buyer Protection message "Pay with PayPal and full purchase price is covered", and if PayPal finds in your favor on your Claim, PayPal will reimburse you for the full purchase price of the item and original shipping costs – with no cap on coverage. PayPal will not reimburse you for the return shipping costs that you incur to return a Significantly Not as Described item to the seller or other party PayPal specifies. If the seller presents evidence that they delivered the goods to your address, PayPal may find in favor of the seller even if you did not receive the goods.

Items purchased off eBay:

If PayPal finds in your favor on your claim, PayPal will reimburse you for the full purchase price of the item and original shipping costs – with no cap on coverage

13.4 Dispute Resolution

If you are unable to resolve the problem directly with the seller, go to the Resolution Center and follow this process:

• Open a Dispute
  
  Open a Dispute within 45 days of the date you made the payment for the item you would like to dispute.
  
  
• Escalate the Dispute to a Claim
  
  If you and the seller are unable to come to an agreement, escalate the Dispute to a Claim within 20 days after opening the dispute.
  
  You must wait at least 7 days from the date of payment to escalate a Dispute for an Item Not Received (INR), unless the Dispute is for $2,500 or more. If you do not escalate the Dispute to a Claim within 20 days, PayPal will close the Dispute.
  
  
• Respond to PayPal's requests for information in a timely manner
  
  During the Claim process, PayPal may require you to provide documentation to support your position. You may be asked to provide receipts, third party evaluations, police reports, or anything else that PayPal specifies.
  
  
• Comply with PayPal's shipping requests in a timely manner
  
  For Significantly Not as Described (SNAD) Claims, PayPal may require you to ship the item back to the seller - or to PayPal - or to a third party at your expense, and to provide proof of delivery.
  For transactions that total less than $250, proof of delivery is confirmation that can be viewed online and includes: the delivery address, delivery date, and the URL to the shipping company's web site if you've selected “Other” in the shipping drop down menu. For transactions that total $250 or more, you must get signature confirmation of delivery.
  
  
• How is the Claim resolved?
  
  Once a dispute has been escalated to a claim, PayPal will make a final decision in favor of the buyer or the seller. You may be asked to provide receipts, third party evaluations, police reports, or anything else that PayPal specifies. PayPal retains full discretion to make a final decision in favor of the buyer or the seller based on any criteria PayPal deems appropriate. In the event that PayPal makes a final decision in favor of the buyer or seller, each party must comply with PayPal's decision. PayPal will generally require the buyer to ship an item that the buyer claims is Significantly Not as Described back to the seller (at the buyer's expense), and PayPal will generally require a seller to accept the item back and refund the buyer the full purchase price plus original shipping costs. In the event a seller loses a claim, the seller will not receive a refund on his or her PayPal or eBay fees associated with the transaction. If you lose a Significantly Not as Described claim because the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back. (It will be destroyed.)

13.5 What is the PayPal Buyer Complaint Policy?

It is PayPal's process to help you resolve a problem directly with the seller through the PayPal Resolution Center for purchases that are not eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection. This process is available simply to facilitate communication between buyer and seller. PayPal does not provide protection for items that are not eligible for PayPal Buyer Protection.

13.7 SNAD Definition

What is Significantly Not as Described (SNAD)?

An item is Significantly Not as Described if it is materially different than what the seller described in the item listing. Here are some examples:

• You received a completely different item. Example: You purchased a book and received a DVD or an empty box.
• The condition of the item was misrepresented. Example: The listing said "new" and the item was used.
• The item was advertised as authentic but is not authentic.
• The item is missing major parts or features which were not disclosed in the listing.
• You purchased three items from a seller but only received two.
• The item was damaged during shipment.
  

An item is not Significantly Not as Described if it is materially similar to the seller's item listing description. Here are some examples:

• The defect in the item was correctly described by the seller.
• The item was properly described but you didn't want it after you received it.
• The item was properly described but did not meet your expectations.
• The item has minor scratches and was listed as used condition.

13.8 What items are not covered by PayPal's Protection for buyers?

The following items are prohibited under the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy and are not covered even if they do have the PayPal Buyer Protection message in the eBay listing: firearms and firearm parts, illegal and prescription drugs and drug paraphernalia, tobacco, offensive items, child pornography, and any illegal items.
13.9 Relationship between PayPal's protection programs and Chargebacks

Credit card chargeback rights, if they apply, are broader than PayPal's protection programs. Chargeback rights may be filed more than 45 days after the payment, may cover unsatisfactory items even if they do not qualify as SNAD, and may cover intangible items.

You may pursue a Dispute/Claim with PayPal, or you may contact your credit card company and pursue your chargeback rights. You may not pursue both at the same time or seek a double recovery. If you have an open Dispute or Claim with PayPal, and also file a chargeback with your credit card company, PayPal will close your Dispute or Claim, and you will have to rely solely on your chargeback rights.
If PayPal does not make a final decision on your Claim until after your credit card issuer's deadline for filing a chargeback, and because of our delay you recover less than the full amount you would have been entitled to recover from the credit card issuer, we will reimburse you for the remainder of your loss (minus any amount you have already recovered from the seller).

Before contacting your card issuer or filing a Dispute with PayPal, you should contact the seller to resolve your issue in accordance with the seller's return policy as stated on their auction or website.

13.10 No Double Recovery. You may not file a dispute/claim or receive a recovery for a purchase under PayPal's protection for buyers if you have already received a recovery for that purchase directly from eBay or the seller.

Yeah Paypal will give you back your money everybody be careful seems like the thieves are out now a days we need to be smarter then that if it sounds to good to be true it IS......

thanks for the info guys . I'll chase my duckets down one way or another . Will be on the phone with paypal this morning !

I was stoked when I thought the gear was available , xmas presents for myself : 0

jessejames12345 said:

thanks for the info guys . I'll chase my duckets down one way or another . Will be on the phone with paypal this morning !

I was stoked when I thought the gear was available , xmas presents for myself : 0

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Did you ever get your money back ?

Ive got a claim open for INR . Its been such a hassle just to get the claim open .

I really just wanted the seeds. Im still hoping Archive would try to make it right for me .

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Im still hoping Archive would try to make it right for me .

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:banghead:

its 100% not his fault at all, all he can do is wait and find out who will have his seeds, i called out on makingoos thread a few scam places, or maybe just one because it ended up the other was legit, and one that def has em. but i cant share that info.

all im trying to say is doc is not a bad person if you dont hear from him.
hes a very kind and nice dude.

Your Right Shamus , I do know as well that Doc is a very good dude.... Lesson learned on my part .. Im still gonna get some archive gear one of these days :)

sanvanalona said:

Yeah I know the "docta" as well and he definitely has the fire, a good precursor to any aspiring seed breeder. Give it a shot, I am sure his stuff won't disappoint. I'm about to start some faceoff x b.c. hashplant in hopes of finding a hashplant pheno. Ill try to keep things somewhat updated.

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Unless he has another one, the Hashplant he uses is not a BC cultivar. I sourced the hashplant, a few years ago, it's a very special medium yield fast finishing indica that has a quick heady effect and nice flavor (color goes red). The bud is a cool rare indica type, but the hash from it is spectacular with true old school hash flavor, big trichome heads, and melty character, It should pair nicely with doc's Face Off OG. I'll be looking out for your grow. The hashplant pheno should be obvious compared to the OG.

StoneyPufnstuff said:

Unless he has another one, the Hashplant he uses is not a BC cultivar. I sourced the hashplant, a few years ago, it's a very special medium yield fast finishing indica that has a quick heady effect and nice flavor (color goes red). The bud is a cool rare indica type, but the hash from it is spectacular with true old school hash flavor, big trichome heads, and melty character, It should pair nicely with doc's Face Off OG. I'll be looking out for your grow. The hashplant pheno should be obvious compared to the OG.

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He told me that he's using the bc hash plant as that is a very sought after strain amongst those in the know. Grows with almost no hair and has the most narcotic stone! I would love to see th has plant you speak of though

sanvanalona said:

He told me that he's using the bc hash plant as that is a very sought after strain amongst those in the know. Grows with almost no hair and has the most narcotdescription fit.one! I would love to see th has plant you speak of though

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I'll dig some out when you got your grow going. I may be mistaken, there wasn't a hp on his mom list when I gave it to him. Mine is out of Oregon, never was in BC, I seen he labeled a PNW HP and thought the description was close. I gave him the Lemon Diesel at the time too and both seeds appeared at the same time.

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I'll dig some out when you got your grow going. I may be mistaken, there wasn't a hp on his mom list when I gave it to him. Mine is out of Oregon, never was in BC, I seen he labeled a PNW HP and thought the description was close. I gave him the Lemon Diesel at the time too and both seeds appeared at the same time.

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We'll shit that changes everything as I'm on a hashplant quest, the bc one. I have some friends that popped some in barcelonA they are heavy og leaning but I'm sure they can post pics. I won't have time for a seed project just yt as life has taken some interesting turns