Are these plants Dying? MEDIC!!!

PLantAsEED · Sep 10, 2020

Last week the plants looked very green and healthy. noticed a fair amount of PM starting. Sprayed with a H202 3% solution 3:1 ration with water. Next day no PM a few rust looking spots where it was but all seemed good. Over the next few days pest and PM have been absent for the most part. But bud development has slowed and the leaves have been rapidly turning yellow and dying. Does not look like a natural fade, as when grown inside it faded slowly to purple. What could be wrong, and what can I do to fix? I'd say they're 3.5-4.5 weeks into flower.

Kyle3089 · Sep 10, 2020

3 of my plants are doing this not as bad I can’t figure out if it’s nitrogen deficiency or not

MHippie · Sep 10, 2020

What are you feeding them?

Aqua Man · Sep 10, 2020

think hippy is right on asking first what are you feeding but if they are still drinking well and no other issues I would say its low notrogen and plant age.

MHippie · Sep 10, 2020

Aqua Man said:
think hippy is right on asking first what are you feeding but if they are still drinking well and no other issues I would say its low notrogen and plant age.

Don't want to be guessing but first glance is the buds are sucking his fans dry. Nute lockout would affect the entire plant. Leaning towards starvation :)

Aqua Man · Sep 10, 2020

MHippie said:
Don't want to be guessing but first glance is the buds are sucking his fans dry. Nute lockout would affect the entire plant. Leaning towards starvation :)

Yeah my thoughts as well. Bit of a bump up in nutrients will help slow that down IMO

PLantAsEED · Sep 11, 2020

I am feeding them dry release nutes like down to earth. Along with well water from the hose. About three weeks ago I gave them.a feeding with some leftover advanced nutrients sensi bloom I had. And two weeks ago I fed them with some veg+bloom dirty.

PLantAsEED · Sep 11, 2020

After scouring the forum and coming across some info from.@seamaiden. In regards to plants with root aphids that looked like such. Out of fear of root aphids I put spectracide (2gal solution) into the soil. So hopefully that fixes things otherwise I more than likely killed all microbial life in my soil for nothing. Just need to make it 4 more weeks.

MHippie · Sep 11, 2020

PLantAsEED said:
I am feeding them dry release nutes like down to earth. Along with well water from the hose. About three weeks ago I gave them.a feeding with some leftover advanced nutrients sensi bloom I had. And two weeks ago I fed them with some veg+bloom dirty.

I don't think you are dealing with nute lockout yet. First stage of that would be a draw on the fans in a plant that big. But then again as Aqua said you might just be dealing with age. Are you ph testing the liquid you put down? That wasn't mentioned at all and will have a similar effect. Definitely do not recommend putting dry notes down. You have no guarantee of consistency and penetration. You've got one hell of a grow going on man.

Aqua Man · Sep 11, 2020

MHippie said:
I don't think you are dealing with nute lockout yet. First stage of that would be a draw on the fans in a plant that big. But then again as Aqua said you might just be dealing with age. Are you ph testing the liquid you put down? That wasn't mentioned at all and will have a similar effect. Definitely do not recommend putting dry notes down. You have no guarantee of consistency and penetration. You've got one hell of a grow going on man.

+1

PLantAsEED · Sep 11, 2020

Aqua Man said:
think hippy is right on asking first what are you feeding but if they are still drinking well and no other issues I would say its low notrogen and plant age.

They seem to be drinking fine still. I have been working in whatever I can for nutes. Started with top dressing dte all purpose. 4-6-2. Then after some time I added something called trash can 3-6-3 all purpose top dress about 5 weeks ago. I have had 2 random feedings with some leftover advanced nutes sensi grow(ph 5.6). And I have fed once with veg+bloom dirty (ph 6.2). Most of waterings was by rainfall, or well water from the hose(ph around 7.4-8.0).

Ph seems high but I fed with it all through veg with no issues and I water indoor plants w the same water no issues...?

PLantAsEED · Sep 11, 2020

Will using the spectracide in the soil come with negative side effects? Is super thrive a good idea to help build back up microbial life?

MHippie · Sep 11, 2020

PLantAsEED said:
Will using the spectracide in the soil come with negative side effects? Is super thrive a good idea to help build back up microbial life?

Man with all you've got going on I actually feel stupid laying this out there. Buuuuuuut... :)

Ok I veg inside, flower outside. I'm all in dirt in grow bags or bonsai pots. And I break ALL the rules. Sometimes it pays off. Sometimes it doesn't. However... there are cardinal rules that shouldn't be messed with in dirt. And A #1 MOST important to proper nutrient uptake is... PH.

Ideal for soil imo is 6.3. I had a BAD lockout issue earlier. Saved the plants... barely. Took them over a month to recover. My well was putting out variable PH when it rained. We got that shit handled. House has RO now. But I have a by pass. Right everyone is RO RO RO. Well... not me. I'm too late in the season to f with crazy shit again.

Point is... mix your nutes (that's next... cause the soil isn't gonna give those plants what they need for the icky sticky), and then shake them really good. Make sure they are absorbed. And then PH those suckers. Aim for 6.3. If you don't have any ph up or down... simple solution. Baking SODA brings it up. Lemon Juice brings it down.

Now nutes. I'm not sure what your experience level is. But it has to be something beyond beginner because your plants are banging with great structure. They just need to fill out and do their deal. There are crazy ass million bottle 100's of dollars "systems". There are personal preferences. And then there's Earth Juice's Seablast line --> Grow, Transition, Bloom, Bloom Master. It's a dry nute that comes in 3 or 5lb bags. Shit lasts forever. And it has all of the micros needed for that stage of growth.

There are technical growers here who just threw up a little in their mouths. But if you want simple, cheap, effective? Those nutes above are kick ass. They have a mixing chart on each bag. It's 1/2 tsp per gallon. LOL. VERY complex no? Heh. Easy as hell and the stuff is made for soil. You'll see a turn around in a very short amount of time and those buds will start moving in the right direction again.

Just don't try to give them too much. They can only uptake what they can.

PLantAsEED · Sep 11, 2020

MHippie said:
Man with all you've got going on I actually feel stupid laying this out there. Buuuuuuut... :)

Ok I veg inside, flower outside. I'm all in dirt in grow bags or bonsai pots. And I break ALL the rules. Sometimes it pays off. Sometimes it doesn't. However... there are cardinal rules that shouldn't be messed with in dirt. And A #1 MOST important to proper nutrient uptake is... PH.

Ideal for soil imo is 6.3. I had a BAD lockout issue earlier. Saved the plants... barely. Took them over a month to recover. My well was putting out variable PH when it rained. We got that shit handled. House has RO now. But I have a by pass. Right everyone is RO RO RO. Well... not me. I'm too late in the season to f with crazy shit again.

Point is... mix your nutes (that's next... cause the soil isn't gonna give those plants what they need for the icky sticky), and then shake them really good. Make sure they are absorbed. And then PH those suckers. Aim for 6.3. If you don't have any ph up or down... simple solution. Baking SODA brings it up. Lemon Juice brings it down.

Now nutes. I'm not sure what your experience level is. But it has to be something beyond beginner because your plants are banging with great structure. They just need to fill out and do their deal. There are crazy ass million bottle 100's of dollars "systems". There are personal preferences. And then there's Earth Juice's Seablast line --> Grow, Transition, Bloom, Bloom Master. It's a dry nute that comes in 3 or 5lb bags. Shit lasts forever. And it has all of the micros needed for that stage of growth.

There are technical growers here who just threw up a little in their mouths. But if you want simple, cheap, effective? Those nutes above are kick ass. They have a mixing chart on each bag. It's 1/2 tsp per gallon. LOL. VERY complex no? Heh. Easy as hell and the stuff is made for soil. You'll see a turn around in a very short amount of time and those buds will start moving in the right direction again.

Just don't try to give them too much. They can only uptake what they can.

Thanks! I'll check to see if my local store has that product line. If my PH is the only issue how could I flush them out. 1st grow outdoor so I get the concept just different than a 3 gal pot. Just add water and more water and then some more water at a proper ph lol. They are in 44 gal raised beds.

MHippie · Sep 11, 2020

PLantAsEED said:
Thanks! I'll check to see if my local store has that product line. If my PH is the only issue how could I flush them out. 1st grow outdoor so I get the concept just different than a 3 gal pot. Just add water and more water and then some more water at a proper ph lol. They are in 44 gal raised beds.

I’d saturate the soil with 6.0 - 6.3 max. I had a severe nute lock issue with a few plants on this grow. Variable ph coming out of the well like I said. Some strains weren’t too affected. Anything HSC got bombed. I just fed as normal when needed and also hit them with epson salts and water in a spray bottle daily also ph adjusted. Your plants aren’t anywhere near what mine were. You should pop to the other side of it in no time. But only feed them when they need it. Don’t over water especially in flower.

MHippie · Sep 11, 2020

Oh! You are growing some really nice trees for sure. Good job with it so far. I tend to stick with 5 gal pots because they are hard to over water and I take them in each day on a strict 12/12 schedule. Reasoning is everyone is spending a fortune on full spectrum leds and power with confined height spaces. The sun is free lol and I’m in the South. So we get a ton of it.

BudBogart · Sep 12, 2020

Hey. You have limited soil in your containers. The umbrella , or drip line of the plants are wider than the planting containers. So that indicates the roots are being confined to smaller food source than it needs.
This is showing itself by quickly depleting the leaves of available nutrients, ie nitrogen.
I wouldn’t mess too much with it this late in flower by adding nitrogen.
pH...Do not start amending your pH unless you first determine a pH problem by doing a quick analysis.
Every garden shop sells pH check kits for cheap.
You mix a powder in with a small soil sample and a few drops of the WATER THAT YOU TYPICALLY water your plants with.
Hopefully, it is in range. If not, you simply amend the SOIL by topping with either an acidic or alkaline top dress and scratch in. The amendment will leach down through the soil, gently changing the pH.
All above info just guess work. Good luck.

MHippie · Sep 12, 2020

BudBogart said:
Hey. You have limited soil in your containers. The umbrella , or drip line of the plants are wider than the planting containers. So that indicates the roots are being confined to smaller food source than it needs.
This is showing itself by quickly depleting the leaves of available nutrients, ie nitrogen.
I wouldn’t mess too much with it this late in flower by adding nitrogen.
pH...Do not start amending your pH unless you first determine a pH problem by doing a quick analysis.
Every garden shop sells pH check kits for cheap.
You mix a powder in with a small soil sample and a few drops of the WATER THAT YOU TYPICALLY water your plants with.
Hopefully, it is in range. If not, you simply amend the SOIL by topping with either an acidic or alkaline top dress and scratch in. The amendment will leach down through the soil, gently changing the pH.
All above info just guess work. Good luck.

Man I must be REALLY fucking it up on my side. ALL of my plants from bonsais to autos to photos extend beyond their containers :(

BudBogart · Sep 12, 2020

MHippie said:
Man I must be REALLY fucking it up on my side. ALL of my plants from bonsais to autos to photos extend beyond their containers :(

I didn’t say it’s fucking up, but yes, if your containers held more nutrient rich soil, even your plants would grow larger. If I said something illogical let me know. Small soil source runs out of room for the roots to continue search for nutrients.
Peace

MHippie · Sep 12, 2020

BudBogart said:
I didn’t say it’s fucking up, but yes, if your containers held more nutrient rich soil, even your plants would grow larger. If I said something illogical let me know. Small soil source runs out of room for the roots to continue search for nutrients.
Peace

Nah lol :) I'm just busting your balls. Ever see the Bob Marley tree at nine mile? OMG. The thing was ancient in 2000 when I saw it. You could and we did pick buds off of that thing from the second story breezeway. They were just hanging out there dried on the vine. We were there with a guide so it was epic to be able to do that, twist them up, and smoke in tribute. I'm not height restricted to a certain degree. But we carry those bags into darkness every evening. Still a believer in 12/12. I've done 10 and 15 gal but they are too much for my wife to handle. To restrict height on my bonsai mommas, I just trim the tap root. Slams the vertical brakes on quick.

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