Aritifical super computer

[Kalcu]

Okay, this is just me playing around with a thought. But the basic concept comes from NASA having an agreed upon program that you can download. This program uses thousands of home computers (or how ever many people that download it) to function as a super computer. Each computer works on small amounts of data on it's "off" time, when it's one but not being used. To function as a "super computer".

Basically I am wondering say if you set up a porn page that was very active, with a non malicious virus to crunch numbers on each computer that is "infected". I'm sure that the police computers in cars are encrypted, so just to eaves drop in on there data or even get a password this encryption would need to be broken. I'm not big on math at this point in my life, but I would think that thousands of home computers working on small parts of a very extensive equation would be plausible.

Just looking for some input, nothing serious just playing around.

I suppose I can teach myself math, I was not big into algebra and never got past algebra two. But I had a female teacher both times and did well in geometry when I had a male teacher.........maybe algebra wasn't my thing, but maybe it had to do with the teacher.

:scared0016:

Edit: Yes so I am very certain that the police computers are encrypted but it's mostly what the data that travels the airwaves. Using a computer that is mobile that has broken their encryption you wouldn't get caught.........as long as you avoided them trying to triangulate you location (which could be moving or they might not even seek you out).

I wouldn't want to break into their office computers, surely even with a lot of great proxies and I know very little about steps to keep those from being back tracked......even then the FBI could very easily find you.

But with the air waves that would be much more difficult if you were very aware and careful about how you eaves dropped this data. I for one have no idea how far the airwaves travel, but at least county wide. And then again I have no idea how much the encryption changes from one county to the next, but perhaps none to very little. It would be expected to change from county to county, I don't think they want police from other counties getting confused about jurisdiction but maybe it isn't an issue.

anyways :icon_dizzy:

 

[Kalcu]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

"Those are the good intercept guys. But that doesn't represent the entire cell phone intercept universe.

The odds are vanishingly small that anyone is actually out there intercepting your text messages. But that doesn't mean it cannot be done.

In fact, an article posted last week to the online magazine Slate describes how both the good people and bad people do it.

Bad people as in criminals, and good people as in law enforcement trying to catch these criminals."

Yes, trust the Police man;

 

[kill-9]

So what's your question? I had to read your posts several times to figure out WTF you're talking about? lol.....

Of course a virus that crunches numbers is possible, the concept has been done, but they are not viruses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects

I'm sure there is rogue hackers out there who do such a thing though. But they mostly use the processing power to do DDOS attacks, and certain types of it. Like Smurf attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack

If you are not good at math, not trying to put you down, but you're not going to create such a program.

 

[Kalcu]

Well I refuse to believe that I can't learn just about what ever I want to simply since free educations is no longer.

Ya I guess you kinda get what I meant, but what you say has been done was not without a users/download agreement........hence being a "virus", something that you did not agree to download.

I don't know, just started to read more into this kind of thing. I guess there was a guy who got popped selling online a package to decrypt MTD's. I have heard that some are almost not encrypted and then some have encryption for transmission and then also security protocols/verification and so forth.......I'm kinda tired and this is all pretty new to me.

It's not that I have been bad at math, but with math anxiety and just not liking school. It really didn't matter how I did in school, but I was much better at science and English that anything else.

Mostly this seems unnecessary but I haven't been sleeping well and it's a good bed time read kind of interest. I really do remember, having a female teacher sucked; I would ask her questions and just get more confused....but with a male I would get strait answers.......never really changed in life, woman still pull that shit.

Ya but you get what I am saying about using other computers to increase processing power. Not that I would have a clue were to begin with a decryption algorithm, something about floating and non-deterministic.

It would be nice to compromise the secrecy of the local police/drug task force and prosecution office.......they use the same system. you would know what you are suspected of, where they are to some degree with evidence and dates of warrants and so forth. Of course more info would be on the detectives computer (perhaps), probably just more detail.........than their networked MTD's, but they all can log in through encrypted airwaves.

Not saying I am going to climb this mountain and put a flag on top, just saying I want to climb as high as I can and at least get a better view..........well, ya learn more (keeps sounding like I want to spy on them, when I just want to see how hard it is if not anything else).

Honestly it could very well get someone into more trouble, but really I think that the local drug task force is retarded. Their email probably isn't very secure, a trojan "dime" would probably put a keylogger on their computer.......a good one wouldn't last long or be stopped by an anti keylogger. But of course that requires contact and that has it's issues............basically I am bored and tired and just tinkering around.

It's either this or read more about chemistry, which math plays a large role in as well. I never had much purpose with math before, even though learning it just to understand it is a strong point.........but practical value is a strong one too.

 

[Kalcu]

Well, ya I do take offense a little bit; I never like how sometimes I encounter discouragement......with chemistry or anything.

I had played/toyed with the idea of learning computer gaming programming and they seem to require a fair amount of algorithms. I don't think I would of failed at it, it's just expensive and school really isn't for me.

Like I said, I'm just playing around and affording a good computer isn't going to happen...well, surely not one with any great ability and I had hard about the @home programs and they seem to be able to crunch numbers really impressively.

But on a simple level, can you tell me how a computer calculator works? How is it programmed to make calculations, I am curious........can't find info on it anywhere, always comes up with programs for TI calculators and nothing just basic.......well wiki has some good info, I know people hate wiki but you can get some good run down info from them.

I have thought of math as a language and I don't like reading things and having no interest in understanding what I am reading. There is less reason now than ever to be ignorant, even though people work a lot and don't really always learn at work. But anyhow, math seems to be a universal language and I thought something about psychedelics and math and chaos and how I shouldn't turn on the computer and be bored, ever.

Plus it all helps insomnia issues! Like not having a vagina next to me, that gets OLD! ha ha ha, things have so many meanings........I mean having no vagina next to me gets old, not having a vagina that is old.......I would take one kinda old, about thirty something would work!

 

[kill-9]

Well, ya I do take offense a little bit; I never like how sometimes I encounter discouragement......with chemistry or anything.

I'm not trying to discourage you. But even with computers, there are some areas that I have so many books on, and I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

I had played/toyed with the idea of learning computer gaming programming and they seem to require a fair amount of algorithms. I don't think I would of failed at it, it's just expensive and school really isn't for me.

Most gaming engines use artificial intelligence programming.

Like I said, I'm just playing around and affording a good computer isn't going to happen...well, surely not one with any great ability and I had hard about the @home programs and they seem to be able to crunch numbers really impressively.

Indeed they do. But it's not one man doing this. It's literally a network of coders. If you really want to learn how to do it, then learn bits and pieces first, before you try the whole enchilada.

You can build a decent cheap computer yourself, absolutely use an asustek motherboard, dual-core chip is a must, and at least 1 or 2 gb of memory. Then run linux or BSD on it. You can have either operating system running with X.org interface under 50mb if you tweak it. If you DO select X.org, don't use gnome or KDE. Fluxbox would be my choice, but doesn't really matter, as long as you don't use the former interfaces.

Less than that if you don't use an interface and operate entirely command-line.

But on a simple level, can you tell me how a computer calculator works? How is it programmed to make calculations, I am curious........can't find info on it anywhere, always comes up with programs for TI calculators and nothing just basic.......well wiki has some good info, I know people hate wiki but you can get some good run down info from them.

I believe calculators are embedded system programming. There are various flavors of embedded systems, qnix, linux, bsd, etc. Most calculators are much much smaller and are built-in-house. I can be wrong though. I've never known anyone who's designed calculators.

I'm not exactly sure what kind of systems calculators use, but if you start off with ARM architecture programming, you can do alot. Including creating embedded systems to control your grow room, and thus not need an entire computer.

I have thought of math as a language and I don't like reading things and having no interest in understanding what I am reading. There is less reason now than ever to be ignorant, even though people work a lot and don't really always learn at work. But anyhow, math seems to be a universal language and I thought something about psychedelics and math and chaos and how I shouldn't turn on the computer and be bored, ever.

If you know math, you know the universe. It's very hard for some people, including myself.

 

[Zen]

I like the way you think...

I like the way you think... or I like the fact that you do
think... breath of fresh air.

I don't want to get too in depth with this but I can
offer you a few bits of information.

Not sure if you've heard of it yet but... what you speak
of is already being done successfully. The SETI program
is using software thats works as a screen saver so that
when people are not using their PC's it can be used
collectively with a massive base of other users, who
also are currently NOT using their PC's, which acts as
one mega super computer to help in the search for
other life beyond our planet. If you spend a little time
looking into this you will see just how they do it and
can use what they've already done to build your idea
upon and take this to the next level rather quickly.

ALSO I can tell you that I know people who use botnets,
many thousands of other infected computers, to do
similar like minded 'things' with. It's super illegal and
a federal offense to take this route but it not only
can be done... it is being done. For example... cat's
are using these to spam big dogs like Hotmail and
are making up-wards of 30k a day.

Of the 2 very real options I'd advise on the first legal
option. It will take much much longer to accomplish it
this way because you'll more or less have to talk people
into downloading and using your software. I have an
idea along these lines as well but mine was more of a
legal money making plan that allowed people to sell
the use of their internet connectiong while they were not
using it... thus allowing everyone to make money by
simply downloading the software and letting others
use their connection while they were either sleeping,
working, or doing anything but using their internet
connection.

Anyways good luck... I know this information will be
helpful to you if you check into it.

 

[Kalcu]

Ha, I knew someone would be making off of that idea. I heard a rumor of a team of people cracking ATM's years back, now they have cryptoprocessors.

Ya as far as using someone else's computer to preform functions, the size of the download is a huge limiting factor........maybe. I suppose it's who's computers, how apparent the download and program functions are and all that good stuff.

I just think as much time as I spend on these machines, I can learn about something other than drugs (for cracking my own mind).

Oh ya, I was reading an article on the NSA and I did not know that they were so good at decryption that they always (presumably and pretty much) always knew the exact/precise location of Soviet Subs (and anyone elses).......not sure how much that had to do with underwater mics or from a combo of breaking communication encryption......but I thought that was pretty cool. I haven't read anything about what the soviets were up to.........makes me wonder why there are secrets, seems that they don't last long between Governments but more longer against their own people.

 

[kill-9]

Remote Administration Tool(RAT) and Trojan Horses are what you're looking for. Viruses/Worms operate in a different way.

 

[Kalcu]

No, I just brought up that part as an easy "option" but one with more risks perhaps.
I bet there email isn't well protected against that kind of thing, but you leave a lot of history........unless it only stayed enough to do what it were to do.

Anyhow the seti@home is just under 7mb, so say in a movie file; you could hide a program just like that "easily".

 

[Kalcu]

Here is another fantasy situation: Jammers

It would be pretty interesting to have a model type airplane with jammers on board. I am actually surprised that the unmaned vehicles used by the airforce aren't taking over anti-sam missions. Those used to be very dangerous, I know they use the stealth fighter for that type of thing and probably even some of the older planes (modified phantoms were dedicated, pretty much any plane is outfitted with HARM missles). But I remember reading about how new radars were using ultra low frequency to detect stealth technology.

anyhow, jammers are not that illegal (a fine) other than interfering with emergency services (a felony). They could be pretty darn dangerous, say a land line was cut from a bank and someone had a jammer........no "being robbed" calls. Or robbing a house or any other crime that cell phones make more difficult to get away with. Or even driving down the highway and an officer trying to run a plate and get warrant info........

Just some dirty thoughts

Edit: oh ya, and task force going out to hunt for grow plots.......they are pretty isolated other than radio contact. Not that killing is a nice thing, but them being tied up naked is pretty funny.

 

[kill-9]

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[Kalcu]

Forgot to thank you for introducing me to Python, it's very simple and reminds me a little of DOS.........way easier than C++, but I'd like to give that a go down the road too. I guess you can combine them but C++ is pretty complicated.

Ya, I did say those were some bad dirty thoughts brew'n.

 

[Kalcu]

Also forgot to say that I am working on the tutorials and found an active python program (the third one I downloaded was active, not the first two).

Okay, so last bad dirty thought: A program that you could call up from jail (since nobody seems to pay bond), your case gets dropped/you get bond, the prosecutors can't seem to keep a case on their computer for you.........or better yet all of your criminal records go poof, they lost your DNA from the computer database, and your FBI finger prints went poof!

Seems like in todays world the man has a lot of advantages due to electronics, it would be a slightly honorable life having that playing field leveled out.

Not that it is legal.

 

[Kalcu]

Okay so it's not about making a 1-800 phone call from prison to activate a program that sends a release date as tomorrow.

But yes Python is pretty cool, having a large grow that is totally ran by a computer would have some security there. WITH flood sensors, I swear going without that one is pretty darn stupid. Seems that the environmental controllers aren't really that complete and are darn expensive.

 

[kill-9]

Also forgot to say that I am working on the tutorials and found an active python program (the third one I downloaded was active, not the first two).

Okay, so last bad dirty thought: A program that you could call up from jail (since nobody seems to pay bond), your case gets dropped/you get bond, the prosecutors can't seem to keep a case on their computer for you.........or better yet all of your criminal records go poof, they lost your DNA from the computer database, and your FBI finger prints went poof!

Seems like in todays world the man has a lot of advantages due to electronics, it would be a slightly honorable life having that playing field leveled out.

Not that it is legal.

Every once in awhile I get a dumb ass big time grower asking me if I can erase their records from the state. After I stop laughing, I tell them it is NOT possible. State Criminal records are on a network with multiple backup offsites. So even if you get one location, you have to get the unknown other locations.

They also have the records set on encryption, where a program will run and check on encryption integrity. If the encryption has changed(and it will if a record is removed or modified in any slight way) bells and whistles go off.

The state is stupid, but not that stupid. So even if you have a man on the inside, it will not be possible.

Your airplane jammer idea was funny, sorry. You're gonna need an onsite power source to power the jammer, it's not like some batteries will do it. And even if it did, that will add a shitload of weight. Most model-types will not be big enough. You would need a pretty big model airplane, and that's not exactly stealth, since it would require a pretty loud engine to power it. Unless you got some ideas on transferring black helicopter technology to model airplanes. :dull

 

[Kalcu]

Ya I know that is why it's fantasy..........the actual jet jammers (or I suppose they could have some in little prop driven planes) have a generator.

I haven't seen any jet propelled model airplanes, I don't think they would do to well in a crash.

Ya and surely the state has some paper records, and I would think an inside person could help with the locations of back up systems but really that is very extensive.

Just fantasy man, it's always good to learn but honestly just easier to stay out of trouble.

Just what we get for living in a technologically advanced society, just easier to play dead.......living that simple boring life. It wasn't like people were very good when it was easy to run and play cowboy. I honestly wouldn't trust most people who would be interested in going poof!

Anyhow, taking away any amount of power from Uncle sam well, might not be worse than growing in some situations but pretty darn awful (penalty wise). Seems that cartels get enough on their side anyhow.

But anyhow I was reading up on military encryption and it's pretty amazing, they have so many encryption steps just for mobile communications. Kinda freaky that the state really tries to resemble this capacity, it's really just to freaky to live in a world that really takes "our beliefs" so damn seriously.........you know, the plant interests.

 

[greyfx]

Botherders use bot computers, pretty much infected with a bot. I remember using GDBot back in the day, using wingate vulnerabilities. C++ is a very robust language and you can do some amazing things, but memory management sucks.

If you want to know how to hack websites pretty much read up on XSS, and learn java, php. It's so funny how one little hole can be open just because someone didn't do an update. All software is vulnerable and there is always a way in. It just depends on how much dedication you have. I don't know any hackers that are great at math, but I don't know any programmers who can really hack. Programmers tend to learn one thing only, it helps if you know everything about something your programming for. Especially basic computer hardware knowlege. It's sad to see programmers who don't know what the ISO layers are or even know basic tcp. I used to work at a company and the other employees would love for me to help them get by the proxies. It was simple they just didn't have overall knowledge. Message Labs isn't gonna stop anyone pfff.