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that's a straight male sack 3-4 nodes down where the plant was topped.He was definitely mature enough to make sacks,but not stable enough to keep them in his crotch. I'd expect a few in this line as its all pretty raw stuff.it's bodhi g13/hp x DSB black...
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that's a straight male sack 3-4 nodes down where the plant was topped.He was definitely mature enough to make sacks,but not stable enough to keep them in his crotch.

I'd expect a few in this line as its all pretty raw stuff.it's bodhi g13/hp x DSB black afghan(rare) crossed to a purple #1 male from old Dutch passion stock.

I prefer males that don't stack any nuts until they're on 12/12,pass a drought/bind test,and can do a week or 2 on odd light schedules without busting nuts.that's the way to line yourself up for stable progeny


So in essence thunder your saying because of that trait it is not worth using?

I'm not even sure where to begin or what to look for in finding a stud for the ladies.
 
Roots 707 organic
Earth juice organic nutes (Full line)
Blackstrap molasses
Earth juice mychorizae
Earth juice microbes
Neptune's harvest hydrolyzed fish and seaweed fertilizer.
Nutrients and microbes aerated 1-2 days before use
ah OK, do you use a P based product and Mycos together? Do you allow for the mycorrhization to be complete before adding additional P, I am assuming EJ has a level of P present, but since its a system, I was hoping you might tell me that you have no to low (under 80ppms) P where you add after treatment with the glomus. If not you may well be wasting your money on Mycos and you may be getting a bacterial based soil which would lean more base by nature of bio film secretions and the need for bacteria to fix N at levels often above pH7.0. If this is the case your protein short may have originated from a lack of Fe which would point to a failure of Mycorrhization and so a pH swing out of favour for many metals such as Fe, and adding the light being the root cause, where the photons are falling at a rate that can not be converted through sufficient chlorophyll production due to a lack of Fe pick up.
T5's can have a nasty habit of trapping dead air, which rapidly losses all CO2 when plants grow too close, further placing the plant under stress as it races to divert structural N as a replacement for the lost n to cope with the large volume of light energy. By the way this is my theory as to why this sometimes happens, after all, i have seen perfect plants in bloom in solo cups, just saying.
 
that's a straight male sack 3-4 nodes down where the plant was topped.He was definitely mature enough to make sacks,but not stable enough to keep them in his crotch.

I'd expect a few in this line as its all pretty raw stuff.it's bodhi g13/hp x DSB black afghan(rare) crossed to a purple #1 male from old Dutch passion stock.

I prefer males that don't stack any nuts until they're on 12/12,pass a drought/bind test,and can do a week or 2 on odd light schedules without busting nuts.that's the way to line yourself up for stable progeny
you are like me bro, fed up wasting time on princesses. Sannie seeds got some gear for you. I have been abusing the shit out of a room full of his gear, testing some new cold weather microbes we found in sweden, not 1 herm in sight and we have been roughing them up big time. We got a bit of drift in the nutes, including plenty of red stems, far worse than this pic too ;-) but the plants are growing, the ones we treated are recovering, even with the temps dropped right out and a constant stream of Estonian winter air, water fed in at 5C, they are rough but the test is to see what we lose and at what stage, what we kept, what comes back faster, what fails. Lucky we have a side by side so a tent full of goodness to smoke. I cant tell you how nice it is to have stable genes when testing microbes.
 
ah OK, do you use a P based product and Mycos together? Do you allow for the mycorrhization to be complete before adding additional P, I am assuming EJ has a level of P present, but since its a system, I was hoping you might tell me that you have no to low (under 80ppms) P where you add after treatment with the glomus. If not you may well be wasting your money on Mycos and you may be getting a bacterial based soil which would lean more base by nature of bio film secretions and the need for bacteria to fix N at levels often above pH7.0. If this is the case your protein short may have originated from a lack of Fe which would point to a failure of Mycorrhization and so a pH swing out of favour for many metals such as Fe, and adding the light being the root cause, where the photons are falling at a rate that can not be converted through sufficient chlorophyll production due to a lack of Fe pick up.
T5's can have a nasty habit of trapping dead air, which rapidly losses all CO2 when plants grow too close, further placing the plant under stress as it races to divert structural N as a replacement for the lost n to cope with the large volume of light energy. By the way this is my theory as to why this sometimes happens, after all, i have seen perfect plants in bloom in solo cups, just saying.



That's a lot of info right there. It'll take me a minute to wrap my brain around.

One thing I can say is that my t5 has the fresh air passive intake flowing directly in over the bulbs.
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The small fan pulling air out is pointed out the screen window.
The fresh air gently rolls over lights and plant tops. When I blow smoke through the intake and watch where it goes. But 8 t5ho in 4cu ft is a lot. Soon to be 12bulb lmao. (Gonna need a bigger fan)
 
So in essence thunder your saying because of that trait it is not worth using?

I'm not even sure where to begin or what to look for in finding a stud for the ladies.
If he progresses too far on a veg light cycle,it's got autoflowering traits.I myself wouldn't use him.

I've got stuff over here sexing right now at 14" tall under 18 hour light,which is fine,they're mature enough.If they move past a few pistils or a ballsack against the stem,I shit can them.no matter how nice they look or smell,stability first.
 
ah OK, do you use a P based product and Mycos together? Do you allow for the mycorrhization to be complete before adding additional P, I am assuming EJ has a level of P present, but since its a system, I was hoping you might tell me that you have no to low (under 80ppms) P where you add after treatment with the glomus. If not you may well be wasting your money on Mycos and you may be getting a bacterial based soil which would lean more base by nature of bio film secretions and the need for bacteria to fix N at levels often above pH7.0. If this is the case your protein short may have originated from a lack of Fe which would point to a failure of Mycorrhization and so a pH swing out of favour for many metals such as Fe, and adding the light being the root cause, where the photons are falling at a rate that can not be converted through sufficient chlorophyll production due to a lack of Fe pick up.
T5's can have a nasty habit of trapping dead air, which rapidly losses all CO2 when plants grow too close, further placing the plant under stress as it races to divert structural N as a replacement for the lost n to cope with the large volume of light energy. By the way this is my theory as to why this sometimes happens, after all, i have seen perfect plants in bloom in solo cups, just saying.

If you could help me develop a better nute regime with these products I'd be eternally great full. I feel I have the tools for great stuff. But finding the right feeding schedule takes time.

I've been just following the feeding charts lately.
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That's a lot of info right there. It'll take me a minute to wrap my brain around.

One thing I can say is that my t5 has the fresh air passive intake flowing directly in over the bulbs.
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The small fan pulling air out is pointed out the screen window.
The fresh air gently rolls over lights and plant tops. When I blow smoke through the intake and watch where it goes. But 8 t5ho in 4cu ft is a lot. Soon to be 12bulb lmao. (Gonna need a bigger fan)
glad to see you've got that one sorte, i see lots of T5's no fans, they do still need air :-)
 
If he progresses too far on a veg light cycle,it's got autoflowering traits.I myself wouldn't use him.

I've got stuff over here sexing right now at 14" tall under 18 hour light,which is fine,they're mature enough.If they move past a few pistils or a ballsack against the stem,I shit can them.no matter how nice they look or smell,stability first.

The seedlings are under 24hr photoperiod.
 
If he progresses too far on a veg light cycle,it's got autoflowering traits.I myself wouldn't use him.

I've got stuff over here sexing right now at 14" tall under 18 hour light,which is fine,they're mature enough.If they move past a few pistils or a ballsack against the stem,I shit can them.no matter how nice they look or smell,stability first.
good man, glad to see someone is concerned about the mass of breeding genetic weakness and making us pay for that too LOL
 
you are like me bro, fed up wasting time on princesses. Sannie seeds got some gear for you. I have been abusing the shit out of a room full of his gear, testing some new cold weather microbes we found in sweden, not 1 herm in sight and we have been roughing them up big time. We got a bit of drift in the nutes, including plenty of red stems, far worse than this pic too ;-) but the plants are growing, the ones we treated are recovering, even with the temps dropped right out and a constant stream of Estonian winter air, water fed in at 5C, they are rough but the test is to see what we lose and at what stage, what we kept, what comes back faster, what fails. Lucky we have a side by side so a tent full of goodness to smoke. I cant tell you how nice it is to have stable genes when testing microbes.
I abuse everything here.lol.it's easy with bottles and coco,just don't add cal mag.lol
 
If you could help me develop a better nute regime with these products I'd be eternally great full. I feel I have the tools for great stuff. But finding the right feeding schedule takes time.

I've been just following the feeding charts lately.
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In soil, which has some organic NPK anyway, I feed my plants filtered water with some Calmag in it for up to 2 weeks after applying Mycos. Calcium is critical for Mycorrhization to occur, but P inhibits the signaling response from the plant, so the Myco reaches out, says hi, but the plant fails to respond and the myco plasma retreats, it may try again, but if you plant is hooked on water soluble P by then, all of it will be for nothing. it is ca2++ that carries this signal, so Ca good, P bad. once you have colonisation, typically i am repotting after 2 weeks from seed or cut so i can see for myself, Only then will I use a P based product. I use a 5-0-2 then switch to an 8-7-7 by about week 3-4 veg. I stay on this to week 5-6 bloom after transition and i switch to a 3-0-8. The only other thing I add is a 1-0-6 plant tonic to promote overall well being and add microbes, this i do from day 7 to day 21 bloom. I very occasionally run an organic acid treatment for balancing soil, scavenging radicals etc, to prevent pH swings and to chelate any iron in event of need.

I am hesitant to pick up bacteria and mycos since mycos arrange a biome of microbes they prefer, do we know what you have is matched to the glomus you also have? are there bacteria in the mycos you have, if yes save you money and stop buying the bacteria :-)
 
always hunting,always culling weakness.I would be happy as hell for 2 true keepers in the bunch
hahaha i know right, all that work. I have been doing this for 20 plus years and i have only managed to produce 6 plants myself. i cant tell you how many we have planted over the years to get even 6. When i see a breeder knocking out 10 strains a year i worry
 
That's beautiful. Wish I could even grow that many :)
that's all ultimate chem 08 f2,I always assume on 50% males,so hopefully we'll get 14 and 14.
@Ecompost,what's your opinion on sex of seeds?dictated by enviornment?dictated by seed shape?diet?
there's a number of theories out there.I'm running all these with less N and more PK testing the diet theory.next round I will go heavy on the N with the same seeds.
Maybe after that I'll pull 25 seeds with convex butts and 25 with concave butts and test that theory
 
In soil, which has some organic NPK anyway, I feed my plants filtered water with some Calmag in it for up to 2 weeks after applying Mycos. Calcium is critical for Mycorrhization to occur, but P inhibits the signaling response from the plant, so the Myco reaches out, says hi, but the plant fails to respond and the myco plasma retreats, it may try again, but if you plant is hooked on water soluble P by then, all of it will be for nothing. it is ca2++ that carries this signal, so Ca good, P bad. once you have colonisation, typically i am repotting after 2 weeks from seed or cut so i can see for myself, Only then will I use a P based product. I use a 5-0-2 then switch to an 8-7-7 by about week 3-4 veg. I stay on this to week 5-6 bloom after transition and i switch to a 3-0-8. The only other thing I add is a 1-0-6 plant tonic to promote overall well being and add microbes, this i do from day 7 to day 21 bloom. I very occasionally run an organic acid treatment for balancing soil, scavenging radicals etc, to prevent pH swings and to chelate any iron in event of need.

I am hesitant to pick up bacteria and mycos since mycos arrange a biome of microbes they prefer, do we know what you have is matched to the glomus you also have? are there bacteria in the mycos you have, if yes save you money and stop buying the bacteria :)
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The fan creates negative pressure pointing out the screen window. The intake has a bug screen block big dust but doesn't slow down airflow much.

For 4 cu ft it is effective ventilation.
yeah thats plenty on a t5 set up, well unless you hook all 12 up and those HO T5 lamps are pokey man. my boy grows his plants under then 400W worth of T5's he loves them as he grows in trays and they fit well :-)
 
yeah thats plenty on a t5 set up, well unless you hook all 12 up and those HO T5 lamps are pokey man. my boy grows his plants under then 400W worth of T5's he loves them as he grows in trays and they fit well :)
Mainly I want light spread.

There are 3 switches controlling 4 bulbs each. I should be able to run 8 on 4 off and get better coverage in the space.

That 8 bulb only covers half the space so everything gets tucked in the back.
 
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