your comment on maybe being to rough on them had me noticing the those leafs didn't start until i turned up the speed on the fan in the veg room.....thank you for the tread man ill be around to see those sour strawberry finish....and when (if you haven't tried em already) I'm at a huge toss up with lifesaver, strawberry, and blue moon rocks but prob only going to get one sour so could use some help making this choice with this thread........