yeah i put 3 in the grave today........the risk you take with bag seed I guess!!! i did get some good news to break even sorta.....I took 8 closes from an unknown gurilla grown plant at a friends several weeks ago knowing nothing. they grew great. an experiment for me with cuttings. well today I visited the mother to give her some good nourishemnt and SHE is not a father beyond a shadow of a doubt!!! an unknown phenotype sativa. the trunk is about the size of a pool cue on the fat end!! very healthy looking for trailer park grown!!! LOL!!!