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try looking up how to stop autobuddering
Ok thanks...try looking up how to stop autobuddering
Yes over purging is a thing. Any real chemist and extractionist knows that to make oil brittle, all it takes is dewaxing and over purging. Literally cooking off terpenes. 80degree purging? I have found this to be extremely in adaquate in purging for the mere fact that it doesn't give enough viscosity to bubble through. 110-115 are great because its still not volatilzing terps.haha what? shatter is not over purged or lacking in terpenes. I vac at 80* for 5 days, last test came back with 6.2% terps and 18ppms of residual solvents.
most likely you're temps are too high. start your temps at 80 and go from there. if the muffin doesn't drop at a full vac, raise temps a little. I had the same problem for a solid year. I tried EVERYTHING including winterizing, you just lose terps with secondary solvents. all I did was drop my temps and boom....stable shatter everytime. I also started single solvent dewaxing which made everything even more stable but thats another topic.
Running a closed loop? What it sounds like is your running your solvent too warm. You need a condenser hose like in the pic. Dry ice and acetone/denatured alcohol/ethanol. Fill up alcohol in 5 gal fill with some dry ice ever so slowly. Then injection will be coming in much colder and you should be getting shatter pretty consistently. If you want to double whammy it, you can freeze your column in dry ice.So I've been having trouble getting my bho stable. I was wanting to try winterizing with Ethanol and running it through a buchner funnel. On bestvaluevacs.com there is options for both a fritted and non-fritted buchner funnel. Which one should I get and why lol?
Also if anybody has any advice to make my stuff "shatter" I would appreciate it. Im using a best value vac 1lb closed column extractor. I boil off the excess butane in a water bath and try to keep temps below 100 def f. Then I put it in a vac chamber with a heat jacket. Ive tried temps from 90-110 deg f. My pressure gets between -28.5 and -29 hg. I'm usually using a mix of close trim and small lower buds. Sometimes I trim fan leaves and run the whole plant. I let the tube sit on dry ice about 2 hours before blasting and I have been getiting around 10% return.
I was trying to purge for longer times in hopes to make it stable. Is it possible to over-purge lol? Sometimes it seems like my slabs will be see through and slightly stable like "snap and pull", for the first 24 hours. After another day or 2 it seems like it sugars up and turns slightly opaque. Final results are like crumble. I was thinking it was a strain thing but it seems like every strain comes out sticky.
Thanks!
Your getting your stuff tested? And your not in a legal state? So medical? Which state? Got a pic of those results? Super curious here. Got a sample tested a few days ago and just waiting to hear something back.my stuff is usually stable enough to flip by hand within 10 min of the muffin collapsing at 80-85*. all my sap and auto buttering went away after I dropped my temps. i just purge for 5 days cause I'm super anal and want as close to zero ppm as possible. I'm sure I've hit 0 ppm before and batches I haven't tested. but the highest I've ever tested was 108ppm, still acceptable in legal states.
I'm going to do the next couple batches at 80 and see if it helps.my stuff is usually stable enough to flip by hand within 10 min of the muffin collapsing at 80-85*. all my sap and auto buttering went away after I dropped my temps. i just purge for 5 days cause I'm super anal and want as close to zero ppm as possible. I'm sure I've hit 0 ppm before and batches I haven't tested. but the highest I've ever tested was 108ppm, still acceptable in legal states.
Lol I didn't see your post until nowI have given you step by step with pics and results and you go with the person without?
Okay then lol.
What do I know? I can only recover a lb of butane a minute :smoking:
No I couldnt afford the closed loop at the moment. I'm filling a column and then blasting into a Pyrex. Would it be safe to set my solvent tank on dry ice? Or could I fill my column full of butane, close the valve and then freeze it?Yes over purging is a thing. Any real chemist and extractionist knows that to make oil brittle, all it takes is dewaxing and over purging. Literally cooking off terpenes. 80degree purging? I have found this to be extremely in adaquate in purging for the mere fact that it doesn't give enough viscosity to bubble through. 110-115 are great because its still not volatilzing terps.
Dry ice or a deep freezer or even a regular freezer helps for freezing the column. You can freeze your solvent tank it just is super slow to push solvent that way imo. I don't think 80 is enough viscosity to do much. 100 for about 4 days flipped every 4 or less hours the last 2 days. Freezing the slab is how I flipped when I didn't have an oven. 113 is my prime number I prefer. Still makes shatter every time.No I couldnt afford the closed loop at the moment. I'm filling a column and then blasting into a Pyrex. Would it be safe to set my solvent tank on dry ice? Or could I fill my column full of butane, close the valve and then freeze it?
How long would you say to purge on average if I did 110 deg?
That sounds a little more along the lines of what the people I know do. I don't mind a slower process if it will help my consistency lol. I wanted to freeze my tank yesterday but I was scared it would damage it or something. I'm so clumsy that I always have trouble flipping it. I'm getting better at it and the freezer helps....but do I have to worry about "agitating" it when I flip it? Or is that more purposely whipping it?Dry ice or a deep freezer or even a regular freezer helps for freezing the column. You can freeze your solvent tank it just is super slow to push solvent that way imo. I don't think 80 is enough viscosity to do much. 100 for about 4 days flipped every 4 or less hours the last 2 days. Freezing the slab is how I flipped when I didn't have an oven. 113 is my prime number I prefer. Still makes shatter every time.
Material might be too terpy or your getting too many fats and lipids in your oil. Freezing your tube will help immensely I believe.This is the same material but purged for 72 hours at 100 deg. At looked clear at 24 hours and started to sugar up and turn into like a wet crumble towards the end.
You can nucleate shatter with agitation. That's another way ppl accidentally get crumble.That sounds a little more along the lines of what the people I know do. I don't mind a slower process if it will help my consistency lol. I wanted to freeze my tank yesterday but I was scared it would damage it or something. I'm so clumsy that I always have trouble flipping it. I'm getting better at it and the freezer helps....but do I have to worry about "agitating" it when I flip it? Or is that more purposely whipping it?
Ok well thanks for all the advice. I have enough for a few more batches so I'll try to remember to keep the post updated, but I'm stuck with the same strains until next harvest.Material might be too terpy or your getting too many fats and lipids in your oil. Freezing your tube will help immensely I believe.
Would you suggest winterizing? Or should I save my 200$ lolMaterial might be too terpy or your getting too many fats and lipids in your oil. Freezing your tube will help immensely I believe.
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