Burn or deficiency? First timer

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Stonerbudz

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Is that what those little white things are? I've seen them crawling around in my soil and I've been trying to kill them with diatomaceous earth for a while, I figured they were some kind of larva stage of a fungus gnat. Where the f*** did all these bugs come from LMAO I guess they probably rode in on the clone or they were already in the Happy frog. I will say though my two white widow plants potted in the same soil in a different environment don't have any sign of any kind of bug
Well that’s good at least myself I tired different ways of course less aggressive than I went with it after 3 weeks I said fuck it and went out and bought this shit put layer on the top and did my thing with watering when needed and after week I noticed they where gone
 
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Lockeboxgrows

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Well that’s good at least myself I tired different ways of course less aggressive than I went with it after 3 weeks I said fuck it and went out and bought this shit put layer on the top and did my thing with watering when needed and after week I noticed they where gone
Yeah that's a different brand but I think essentially the same stuff is what I've got, that's awesome that it worked for you. I will continue to use it and hope to see the same results
 
Sparks 714

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The diatomaceous earth will probably be fine for the soil. But you are going to need to treat the plants too. I wouldn't do anything to the plants in flower. You never want to put anything on your buds. But when they're finished flowering, before you put the others into flower, i would try treating with either Sierra Natural Science, Safer Soap, and or Neem Oil. You can rotate every 3-4 days to try and break their growth cycle. Remove plants and heavily disinfect rooms/tents with a mild soap and water solution with a small amount of bleach. I spray the tents with Safers Soap and then wipe them all down, then use like some clorox wipes or a mild bleach solution.
At the same time spray all vegetative plants, being sure to get the tops and bottoms of leaves. I also spray the soil surface and the drainage holes at the bottom. Just in case. Do not spray them while they are under your grow lights! They will burn! I usually remove them out of the tent, and even trim and remove alot of the big fan leaves. Less places for them to hide. Then give them a good soaking. Sometimes twice in a day, while simultaneously cleaning the tent, fan, and any surfaces around my grow. Once the plants are completely dry, only then do i put them back under the grow lights for a few more days and then repeat the process. I would try to do this at least 4 times. Maybe 5 at 3 to 4 day intervals. Then once a week after that for a regular IPM schedule and to prevent anything from coming back!
All the while checking and inspecting plants and undersides of leaves for any new damage or any new critters.
If a few weeks or more go by and no bugs, try another flower run.
Good luck to you. 😁👍
 
Lockeboxgrows

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The diatomaceous earth will probably be fine for the soil. But you are going to need to treat the plants too. I wouldn't do anything to the plants in flower. You never want to put anything on your buds. But when they're finished flowering, before you put the others into flower, i would try treating with either Sierra Natural Science, Safer Soap, and or Neem Oil. You can rotate every 3-4 days to try and break their growth cycle. Remove plants and heavily disinfect rooms/tents with a mild soap and water solution with a small amount of bleach. I spray the tents with Safers Soap and then wipe them all down, then use like some clorox wipes or a mild bleach solution.
At the same time spray all vegetative plants, being sure to get the tops and bottoms of leaves. I also spray the soil surface and the drainage holes at the bottom. Just in case. Do not spray them while they are under your grow lights! They will burn! I usually remove them out of the tent, and even trim and remove alot of the big fan leaves. Less places for them to hide. Then give them a good soaking. Sometimes twice in a day, while simultaneously cleaning the tent, fan, and any surfaces around my grow. Once the plants are completely dry, only then do i put them back under the grow lights for a few more days and then repeat the process. I would try to do this at least 4 times. Maybe 5 at 3 to 4 day intervals. Then once a week after that for a regular IPM schedule and to prevent anything from coming back!
All the while checking and inspecting plants and undersides of leaves for any new damage or any new critters.
If a few weeks or more go by and no bugs, try another flower run.
Good luck to you. 😁👍
Man that is what I call advice, you have answered many of my questions in a single post haha. I'm working 12 hour days 7 days a week currently so I'm not sure if I will be able to do that to the full extent but I will damn sure try my best thank you for the helpful input. I'm really considering buying a tent to use as my new flower environment being that it would hopefully be sterile already and I can move the new plants into it and just do a really good clean up in the closet and leave it empty after I this grow is complete. Assuming my young plants aren't already infected but they are in a different section of the house and started from seed so hopefully not
 
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First time grower here and I've run into something that's left me with questions.

My gsc clone has started to develop yellow or burnt tips over the last couple weeks View attachment 1238384

There is a few areas doing this but all are near the bottom of the plant so I've been thinking it's a nute burn and not a light burn because the top all looks healthy for the most part View attachment 1238385

But a few days ago I noticed a fan leaf near the bottom doing a weird sag I haven't seen before. Last night that leaf looked like this View attachment 1238386
She just entered the 5th week of flower and is potted in foxfarm Happy frog. I water about 17 oz distilled water every 3-4 days using sensi bloom a&b 4 ml/L every other watering.

Like I said I'm a first time grower so I'm at a loss, the tips are telling me nute burn but the yellowing is making me think deficiency any ideas?

First time grower here and I've run into something that's left me with questions.

My gsc clone has started to develop yellow or burnt tips over the last couple weeks View attachment 1238384

There is a few areas doing this but all are near the bottom of the plant so I've been thinking it's a nute burn and not a light burn because the top all looks healthy for the most part View attachment 1238385

But a few days ago I noticed a fan leaf near the bottom doing a weird sag I haven't seen before. Last night that leaf looked like this View attachment 1238386
She just entered the 5th week of flower and is potted in foxfarm Happy frog. I water about 17 oz distilled water every 3-4 days using sensi bloom a&b 4 ml/L every other watering.

Like I said I'm a first time grower so I'm at a loss, the tips are telling me nute burn but the yellowing is making me think

First time grower here and I've run into something that's left me with questions.

My gsc clone has started to develop yellow or burnt tips over the last couple weeks View attachment 1238384

There is a few areas doing this but all are near the bottom of the plant so I've been thinking it's a nute burn and not a light burn because the top all looks healthy for the most part View attachment 1238385

But a few days ago I noticed a fan leaf near the bottom doing a weird sag I haven't seen before. Last night that leaf looked like this View attachment 1238386
She just entered the 5th week of flower and is potted in foxfarm Happy frog. I water about 17 oz distilled water every 3-4 days using sensi bloom a&b 4 ml/L every other watering.

Like I said I'm a first time grower so I'm at a loss, the tips are telling me nute burn but the yellowing is making me think deficiency any ideas?
Sorry I'm a bit a late. I just joined. First I would ditch fox farms and Happy frog. I find they tend to be a bit hot and cause nutrient burns. Imo a bit high in nitrogen. If you decide to stay with the soil then ditch the nutrients during your venetian stage. You will not need it until second week of flower
Clones are awesome but only of the clone comes from a healthy mother and the strain should be stable
You do not Transplant a clone till two things happen. 1 signs of new vegetation 2 if the planter the clone is in has good size drain holes with they should wait for roots to be visible. Your root base is very important before transplanting any plant
After transplant and signs of new vegetation is very visible give her 5 to 6 weeks of vegetation. I prefer 6 weeks but 5 will be OK. After you flip your light wait two weeks and slowly feed them nutrients but make sure your NPK is proper for flowering witch is very very important
I started with Happy frog fox farm and ocean wte .. but I found burned leaves no matter what I tried I now use a coco peat blend basically one step from hydro/Deepwater culture. Coco has basically no nutrients so liquid nutes are needed however the product I use is a good no burn blend and I do not use nutrients during the first 4 weeks how ever I do pre soak my medium with bonticare liquid karma with gives it some micro nutrients
Hope this helps you with your journey. I started 8 years ago and I'm not even close to pro ..
 
Lockeboxgrows

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Sorry I'm a bit a late. I just joined. First I would ditch fox farms and Happy frog. I find they tend to be a bit hot and cause nutrient burns. Imo a bit high in nitrogen. If you decide to stay with the soil then ditch the nutrients during your venetian stage. You will not need it until second week of flower
Clones are awesome but only of the clone comes from a healthy mother and the strain should be stable
You do not Transplant a clone till two things happen. 1 signs of new vegetation 2 if the planter the clone is in has good size drain holes with they should wait for roots to be visible. Your root base is very important before transplanting any plant
After transplant and signs of new vegetation is very visible give her 5 to 6 weeks of vegetation. I prefer 6 weeks but 5 will be OK. After you flip your light wait two weeks and slowly feed them nutrients but make sure your NPK is proper for flowering witch is very very important
I started with Happy frog fox farm and ocean wte .. but I found burned leaves no matter what I tried I now use a coco peat blend basically one step from hydro/Deepwater culture. Coco has basically no nutrients so liquid nutes are needed however the product I use is a good no burn blend and I do not use nutrients during the first 4 weeks how ever I do pre soak my medium with bonticare liquid karma with gives it some micro nutrients
Hope this helps you with your journey. I started 8 years ago and I'm not even close to pro ..
Hey thanks a lot for all that info that definitely helps. I wish I had known a lot of those things when I got started (2 months ago LMAO looooong ways to go) but you learn as you go. I know what you mean for sure about the Happy frog being hot and not needing nutes during veg because no matter how low I dilute the solution I'm seeing burns on a test plant I've got going. I am happy I am learning all this extra info now before I started feeding my current seedlings even 1/4 strength nutes at 5+ nodes cause even that is bringing on some problems. You really do learn something everyday, some of us just need to learn more than others 😁🤣
 
Blastfact

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Theres my bag of DE under the igloo. We have had historic rain and flash flooding of late. With that came a invasion of ants and gnats. DE took care of that for me. Wonderful stuff. Also keep a bottle of Mad Farmer liq. silica so I can foliar spray and get after mites and other bugs with it if they show up. I've used it in flower. Just keep it off the buds.

Room2
 
Blastfact

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I use either Ocean Forrest or Nectar of the Gods #8 or a mixture of both depending on availability. Both my current grows are a 50/50 mixture. Both being what I call fortified soil mixes right out of the bag. Yeah there a bit hot but that goes away real fast if you don't start feeding pretty quick. I start feeding at 3 weeks or so when using either or both soils. Fox Farm ferts are not good cannabis feed IMHO. They are great for container veggie grows and will grow great veggies. They just miss the mark for cannabis. I used Bloom City dry ferts with PH'ed water, molasses, calmag, de and a few other things for years because I was just to damn busy to mess with anything else the last 10 years or so of my working career. Now using Nectar of the Gods and it's been good expect for all the mixing. But I got time now to fart around with such stuff. The current ATF grow has been getting the NOTG ferts since transplant at lite doses and is now at full strength with no issues at all. They are now 30 days old from helmet head sprouts and off into veg.

Week 4 Plants
 
Lockeboxgrows

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Theres my bag of DE under the igloo. We have had historic rain and flash flooding of late. With that came a invasion of ants and gnats. DE took care of that for me. Wonderful stuff. Also keep a bottle of Mad Farmer liq. silica so I can foliar spray and get after mites and other bugs with it if they show up. I've used it in flower. Just keep it off the buds.

View attachment 1246015
I'll look into getting some of that liquid silica spray so I can start foliar spraying and kill them nasty little suckers on the leaves. I've been using the DE but it hasnt really seemed to be too effective for me but I will continue to play around with it
 
Lockeboxgrows

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These are the nutes I purchased to use during veg for my white widow grow but I can't seem to nail the strength of the solution. My test plant showed serious burn after feeding 1/2 and then 1/4 strength at 3 weeks old in happy frog
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Sparks 714

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I work construction at anywhere from 8 to 14 hours a day. Right now we're doing 10 hour days, six days a week. And although i know that i am blessed to be working and getting the overtime pay that i get, it doesn't leave me alot of time or energy and strength to spend on my grows. I used to use bottled nutes in everything from DWC, straight coco and/or peat moss, to soil.
But mixing nutes and checking ph became a headache and a pain in thee ass for me. Ended up switching to a "living organic soil " hand crafted with mostly everything the plant needs already mixed into the soil. So basically all my growz need is some RO water, or filtered non-chlorinated water. If i see the plants lacking, or when they go into flower i can add a top dressing of very affordable dry ferts with no ph'ing problems. The soil microbes take care of all that. Or you can brew the occasional AACT teas on your day/days off to give them a boost!
I dont have a journal going here, but ive got years worth of pictures on Instagram over @sparksgeewest
Or on the bean Basement also as Sparks 714.
Living soil has been the easiest way for me to grow some of the finest Homegrown cannabis that I've ever smoked! But take your time learning....and most importantly have fun! Nobody's grow is perfect. And we all occasionally make mistakes. All you can do is learn from those mistakes adjust, and keep pushing forward. Good luck too you!
 
Lockeboxgrows

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I work construction at anywhere from 8 to 14 hours a day. Right now we're doing 10 hour days, six days a week. And although i know that i am blessed to be working and getting the overtime pay that i get, it doesn't leave me alot of time or energy and strength to spend on my grows. I used to use bottled nutes in everything from DWC, straight coco and/or peat moss, to soil.
But mixing nutes and checking ph became a headache and a pain in thee ass for me. Ended up switching to a "living organic soil " hand crafted with mostly everything the plant needs already mixed into the soil. So basically all my growz need is some RO water, or filtered non-chlorinated water. If i see the plants lacking, or when they go into flower i can add a top dressing of very affordable dry ferts with no ph'ing problems. The soil microbes take care of all that. Or you can brew the occasional AACT teas on your day/days off to give them a boost!
I dont have a journal going here, but ive got years worth of pictures on Instagram over @sparksgeewest
Or on the bean Basement also as Sparks 714.
Living soil has been the easiest way for me to grow some of the finest Homegrown cannabis that I've ever smoked! But take your time learning....and most importantly have fun! Nobody's grow is perfect. And we all occasionally make mistakes. All you can do is learn from those mistakes adjust, and keep pushing forward. Good luck too you!
Yeah I can relate to the working and not having the time and or energy, I drive a forklift 7 days a week 12 hours a day except Monday (8 hour day) so I'm pretty exhausted all the time. Being a new grower though I think that's actually helpful to me because it's taken away a lot of the temptation to "over love them" for me. It does however make it hard to study up as much as id like and go out and get things I need like like pesticides nutes etc. But sometimes I feel like that might be good too cause it's helping me to slow down and learn with what I have instead of fixing a problem with a product. To an extent haha. I appreciate the vibes man
 
Stonerbudz

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Yeah I can relate to the working and not having the time and or energy, I drive a forklift 7 days a week 12 hours a day except Monday (8 hour day) so I'm pretty exhausted all the time. Being a new grower though I think that's actually helpful to me because it's taken away a lot of the temptation to "over love them" for me. It does however make it hard to study up as much as id like and go out and get things I need like like pesticides nutes etc. But sometimes I feel like that might be good too cause it's helping me to slow down and learn with what I have instead of fixing a problem with a product. To an extent haha. I appreciate the vibes man
Forsure I totally understand this also and than to get too have the time to the plants is little hard but you will get rid of the pest and in the future will be able to fix the issue instantly
 
Observationist

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You hold tight young man. I'm going to get you a light. PM me your info and let me see what I can do. I remember being a young man,,, working my ass off and not being able to polish a turd no mater how hard I worked while always trying to do the right thing. You use your limited funds to get a few other simple tools you need like a pH meter and such. Forget coco for right now and learn the basics in dirt and get some good bud.... Old man got your back. Hope your in the USA....
Aww fuck man
 

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