Business Start (legal Advice)

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dutch.pirate

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Hi guys,

I'm thinking about starting an growing operation in California.
The idea is to rent a 3000sqft warehouse, put solar panels (to decrease the electricity bill) and use 40.000w (using phillips 315 lamps).

I want to establish a grow operation and sell to dispensaries or who's willing to buy at the better price.

For what I understand, I need a Collective. Get as many signatures from patients as possible and establish me as a Caregiver. The operation will be "non-profit".
I saw a website (growlegal.com) selling that. It goes from $40 (for 29 plants) up to $800/month (for 999 plants). Looks like scam since the website don't show any address for contact. But is it possible to buy or outsource the job of finding all the patients for my collective?


Can you guys give me any advice and recommend an specialised attorney?
 
Homesteader

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Who will own the solar panels? Can you remove them easily when your lease is up?
 
dutch.pirate

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Homesteader said:
Who will own the solar panels? Can you remove them easily when your lease is up?
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If I decide to change location after the lease ends, I'll pay the relocation installation (since Im not buying the property). I plan to get a a warehouse with option to expand if necessary and get a long-term lease.

I plan to lease the solar panels.
 
Homesteader

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You may want to ensure that there is a company that would lease them to anyone who doesn't own the property.
 
dutch.pirate

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I'm more concerned about LE knocking on my grow. Any advice?

Any specialised attorney who could help me start my grow?
 
dutch.pirate

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ShroomKing said:
Have you done any research at all? Are you aware that the current medical cannabis Market in California is about to be in upheaval?
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I'm researching online but I get mixed results. Some States are legal for recreational, others (like Cali) for medical purposes.

Like I said in OP, getting enough patients enrolled is sufficient for me to start my operation without being bothered?

Maybe the recommendation is to simply grow illegally and worse-case scenario I get 3 years probation?
 
Cali clouds

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If you are not a cali resident you are asking for it. the law that is changing as we speak says you have to be from cali with current med rec to be a corporate officer of the Corp. It's easy to cheat but like shroom king said, if your not legit, you are easy picking.
Anyhow the last thing this place needs is someone else just trying to cash in real quick.
It is not quite that easy to find a building either. If you don't own your own spot or have close ties to a landlord it can be real tough. Unless you have shit tons of cash.
Dispensaries are also tough to get into. I managed a spot and we had more people coming in trying to peddle product then patients picking up. The prices are brutal, and clubs have to have a very good reason to choose your product.
Anyhow if you think you want to dump 100k plus into a illegal spot and wait for the tweakers or the cops to show up, then go big.
Oh and I knew a guy that got caught up with 60 and he definitely got more then 3 years probation
 
Blaze

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It is quite a bit more complicated than rounding up a handful of patients and setting up a grow if you want to be a legal cannabis business. You need to be a registered non-profit for one, usually a Mutually Beneficial Corporation (MBC) is what most dispensaries use. This means you do need an attorney, or at the very least a para legal to help you set up your company unless you are particularly savvy with legal paperwork.

Furthermore, the California market is already extremely over saturated. I would guess at least 90% of what gets grown here is sent out of state, illegally. As a result competition in the medical market is fierce, and it is not all that easy to outlet through dispensaries. If you are not bringing them product that is better than 99% of what else is out there, then good luck

As Shroomking pointed out though, the California cannabis industry is in major flux right now and will be for the next few years, at least. New laws were passed last year that will be completely transforming the medical cannabis industry in 2018, and there is a good change recreational cannabis will be legalized in November with Prop 64. The future is very uncertain and we are plunging into unknown territory.

Starting in 2018 the collective model will go away and you will no longer have to operate as non-profit. However you will have to be licensed with the state and with whatever local municipality your grow is in. This means having to deal with the State Board of Equalization, your regional water board, the state agriculture department, your county planning and building department, environmental regulations, labor laws etc, etc. In other words it is going to be a shit ton of paperwork and regulatory red tape just to be licensed, and you will have to deal with all the corporate bullshit and bureaucracy that all business in California have to deal with.

Unfortunately you have already missed the deadlines for priority registration for both the medical licensing, and the recreational licensing if prop 64 passes. This is not to say you won't be able to get a state license to operate at some point, but there are already literally tens of thousands of applicants ahead of you already, and the California government is not exactly known for it's speed and efficiency....
 
dutch.pirate

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Discouraging but thanks for all the replies. I guess the biggest problem is the Cali saturated market. If the free market doesn't welcome you, no reason to suffer the legal hurdle.

My idea was to only grow. Not to build dispensaries (stay away from spotlight/feds).

To find a warehouse, there's specialised realties. Certainly at a premium but not prohibitive.

Missing the deadline (prop 64) means game over for my legality in Cali.


Again, thanks for the replies!
 
Seamaiden

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dutch.pirate said:
Hi guys,

I'm thinking about starting an growing operation in California.
The idea is to rent a 3000sqft warehouse, put solar panels (to decrease the electricity bill) and use 40.000w (using phillips 315 lamps).

I want to establish a grow operation and sell to dispensaries or who's willing to buy at the better price.

For what I understand, I need a Collective. Get as many signatures from patients as possible and establish me as a Caregiver. The operation will be "non-profit".
I saw a website (growlegal.com) selling that. It goes from $40 (for 29 plants) up to $800/month (for 999 plants). Looks like scam since the website don't show any address for contact. But is it possible to buy or outsource the job of finding all the patients for my collective?


Can you guys give me any advice and recommend an specialised attorney?
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None of that fits the current legal model under MMRSA. I personally don't know a specialized attorney so I can't advise there. But, what you're proposing isn't just expensive, it's highly unlikely given the current climate. You're going to be very restricted in where you can set this up.

DO NOT GET INTO A SOLAR LEASE!!!
 
Cali clouds

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Purpletrain said:
Grow califlower prices are outrages everywhere you will make a killing
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That is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. Prices are the lowest they have ever been with no sign of rising. They are building warehouses with 10,000 lights in them as we speak. I bet in the next year you will see good indoor below 1500/#. I only see it further falling once the mega farms in humboldt and the San Joaquin valley really get established. But if that sounds like something worth investing in then go for it.
Oh anyone that doesn't believe me should Google the little morongo cultivation facilities. It is millions of sf of grows.
Maybe a better investment direction would just be to invest in one of those companies blowing out 250,000 sf buildings legitimately????
 
Savage Henry

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I think the profit margins with veggies start when you're doing volume requiring greenhouses by the hectare, but I'm just talking out of my ass.

This all goes south I may just start pheno hunting heirloom tomatoes and blowing out a couple greenhouses with em, at least I could potentially get a bank loan to start up.:cry:
 
Cali clouds

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Lol right. I'm about to go drop off resumes at these mega grows I speak of. I just heard about a mediocre grower getting picked up by a big corporate op. And he is getting 12k/ month. Sounds bs to me, but some people are real good talkers
 
Savage Henry

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That sounds pretty cool, I just had to turn down a job offer the other day. The money wasn't what you're describing but it was about the same as my 9-5, and I was stoked to get the offer. I told them to call me back when they could pay me with a paper check, nobodys gonna give me a mortgage with under the table income.
 
Cali clouds

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If I got the right offer I would do it in a heart beat. To be able to work in this business and get a legit check would be awesome
 
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