Canadian CX PMT(powdery mildew treatment)

[Joe Fresh]

first of all, i would like to say of all the nutes under the canadian cx brand, ive tried the wilt guard, regenaroot, and PMT..all 3 work as they are advertised(which is rare)...but im here to talk about the PMT...PMT is to be used from start to finnish, its basicly 2 types of calcium that are used as a foliar spray to help strengthen the leaves and build their natural defense. with PMT the PM will go away in about 3-4 treatments, but continued use is reccomended to keep plant leaves healthy and keep PM off..

now looking upon the ingredients a bit further..i see the 2 ingredients listed are calcium caseinate, and calcium pectinate, so i decided to do a bit of research into the 2 of them and how they help fight PM but more importantly what are their every day uses

Calcium caseinate is a protein produced from casein in skim and sometimes 1% milk. At neutral or acid pH, casein is relatively insoluble in water, and is easily separated from other milk proteins, sugars and minerals. After their removal, the casein is solubilized at a high pH with calcium hydroxide; the solution is then dried (usually spray dried). Calcium caseinate contains about 17% glutamic acid.

Its main food uses are for powders requiring rapid dispersion into water, such as coffee creamers & instant cream soups. It is also used as a dietary supplement by bodybuilders and other athletes who ingest it before bed, with breakfast, or as meal after working out as it breaks down at a slower rate than whey protein, thus supplying the body with a sustained amino acid release.[1] Mead Johnson introduced a product in the early 1920s named Casec to ease gastrointestinal disorders and infant digestive problems which were a common cause of death in children at that time.[2] Calcium caseinate is soluble and does not clot in the stomach. It is believed to neutralize capsaicin, the active (hot) ingredient of peppers, jalapeños, habaneros, and other chili peppers.

calcium pectinate on the other hand i cant find much on it other than "drug delivery system through calcium pectinate gels"..basicly from what i gather in my reading, its a slow release, so it will last longer and over time not degrade instantly as the water is being evaporated..


so has anyone worked with these before?im surprised ive never heard of these ingredients but the PMT product really works well, just expensive at 30$ for 100 ML




...and obviously i came accross this

Calcium deficiency can sometimes be rectified by adding agricultural lime to acid soils, aiming at a pH of 6.5, unless the subject plants specifically prefer acidic soil. Organic matter should be added to the soil to improve its moisture-retaining capacity. However, because of the nature of the disorder (i.e. poor transport of calcium to low transpiring tissues), the problem cannot generally be cured by the addition of calcium to the roots. In some species, the problem can be reduced by prophylactic spraying with calcium chloride of tissues at risk.

so i look up calcium chloride and its uses...

Calcium chloride, CaCl2, is a salt of calcium and chlorine. It behaves as a typical ionic halide, and is solid at room temperature. Common applications include brine for refrigeration plants, ice and dust control on roads

so to fix calcium deficiencies, is calcium chloride ok to use? it would seem that the regular salt we buy to de-ice our roads is calcium chloride..foliar feeding with calcium without nitrogen is preferable in my case(dont want to use calcium nitrate)...so what do you guys think of this, is road salt calcium chloride, and can it be used if properly diluted? the cost is rediculously cheap, like 8$ for a 100lb bag

 

[Seamaiden]

I have not worked with calcium pectinate, closest would be using milk I suppose. I don't know anything about road salt.

 

[oscar169]

@JoeFresh do you ever follow Remo from CA, I'm about to start looking into what is involved with setting my room up like Rome's, he is using UVC lighting (CLEAN LIGHTING) I gues they call it , have you had any dealings in the clean lighting ?

 

[Joe Fresh]

ya i know remo, ive seen some vids here and there, never seen anything about uvc lighting though, but i just looked it up and seen what its all about, its cool but not for me...

my inquest here is more into the role of calcium, and its abilities to fight off disease and pathogens from damaging and infecting the plants....the thing about calciumCL was just something i came across and was wondering if anyone else has used calcium chloride to treat calcium deficiency?

also how does calcium, or a combination of different calciums help protect against PM? would a high level of calcium help protect against budrot? i see it as being a good preventative more than a cure, but ive had bad PM before and the PMT worked, within a week, no more PM

 

[Coir]

Potassium bicarbonate applied as a foliar spray seems to give great control over PM. I would be careful with road grade CaCL but you can easily find food grade or agricultural grade to try. I have not used it as a foliar spray so some sample testing would be a good idea before you hit the whole room with it.

 

[Joe Fresh]

Potassium bicarbonate applied as a foliar spray seems to give great control over PM. I would be careful with road grade CaCL but you can easily find food grade or agricultural grade to try. I have not used it as a foliar spray so some sample testing would be a good idea before you hit the whole room with it.

ya true food or agricultural would for sure be prime, its funny i never heard of anyone using CaCL before to treat calcium defs, but i read that from wikipedia so it got me thinking

Calcium chloride as a chemical has been used for more than 100 years in various ways in industries, food processing and health areas. It is used in a variety of industrial and consumer products, and is supplied in the form of flakes, pebbles, pellets, powders and solutions with varying concentrations. Its exothermic (production of heat when coming in contact with water) reaction property has been used for many years to prevent deposition of snow on the roads and highways in areas having high snowfalls. Calcium chloride is an important nutrient for natural plant growth.

1. Essential Micronutrients for Plants
   • Calcium chloride is made up of calcium and chloride elements. Normal growth, development and functioning of plants require both of these elements--calcium and chloride. They are used as micronutrients by plants that are used in many processes undergoing in plant cells such as photosynthesis. Plants generally obtain these elements from the soil for their use.
     
   Effect on Plant Physiology
   • Plant physiology, including metabolic responses to salt stress, partially depends on calcium and chloride ions. High salinity could be detrimental to the plant health. Under this circumstance, the ameliorative action of supplemental calcium (in the form of calcium chloride) is crucial to alleviate high salinity stress. Other beneficial effects that calcium chloride has on plant physiology include membrane permeability and reduction in sodium ion concentrations.
     
     
   Calcium Chloride Spray
   • Calcium chloride in some concentrations is also used as a spray to treat some diseases of flower and fruit-producing plants, including blossom end rot in tomatoes. These diseases may be caused because of calcium deficiency in the soil. It may also be used in tip burn of cabbage and brown or black heart of escarole and celery. In urgent situations, calcium chloride solution is sprayed on the foliage. However, external use of calcium chloride cannot supersede proper nourishment of soil to retain adequate amounts of calcium and water. Moreover, phytotoxic property of calcium chloride can harm plants, if used in excessive amounts.
     
   Harmful Effects
   • Excessive amount of calcium chloride is harmful for the growth of plant and affects the roots, which may get burnt away because of the caustic irritant action of this compound. It is this alkaline caustic action that may also damage the leaves of the foliage and affect the vital function of photosynthesis, resulting in damage to vegetation.
     
   Other Effects
   • Calcium chloride, though more costly than normal sodium chloride salt, is extensively used for soil fertility management because it is less toxic to plants. But excessive use of calcium chloride can harm the plants. Common symptoms include yellow or dwarf foliage and dieback of twigs. The adverse effect of calcium chloride is often reduced by the addition of gypsum to the soil. The rate at which gypsum must be applied will depend on the gravity of salt contamination.
     

 

[Seamaiden]

ya i know remo, ive seen some vids here and there, never seen anything about uvc lighting though, but i just looked it up and seen what its all about, its cool but not for me...

my inquest here is more into the role of calcium, and its abilities to fight off disease and pathogens from damaging and infecting the plants....the thing about calciumCL was just something i came across and was wondering if anyone else has used calcium chloride to treat calcium deficiency?

also how does calcium, or a combination of different calciums help protect against PM? would a high level of calcium help protect against budrot? i see it as being a good preventative more than a cure, but ive had bad PM before and the PMT worked, within a week, no more PM

Ah! I think I've got what you're after. For me it's a bit much to try to explain in a single post, but the essential thing I keep in mind is that Ca is key for many, if not most plant life processes. Hugh Lovel (I think it was he) says that it should be considered another macroelement, it's THAT important.

Back to the other question, I've only used CaNO3 and CaCO3, and whatever Calcium-25 is made from (it's downstairs in the cold-ass garage, I'm not goin' down there to look).