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Additive so over and above what your feed is. Use as directed. I use monopotassium phosphate... Sooooo much cheaper and thats what they dissolve and dilute and then put into the bottle and slap a label on it then mark it up 1000x's.But I have to ask this question. I've been researching everywhere trying to find an answer to Cannas Cannaboost/ PK 13/14.
I realize the PK is down the road a bit and most just use it for a week. I'm in week two of flower and both those products will be here tomorrow. Like everything else I've used ( after overfeeding), I use about half of what's recomended. So I think I have a pretty good understanding of what my girls like.
Question: when using these additives, does the amount used include the normal A B or do I adjust the base nutes? In other words, say I feed at 700ppms normally. Now when I add this stuff does it go on top of the 700ppms or do I lighten the load to get to 700 with Boost? They're looking pretty good and I'm gun-shy to go to heavy after an experience the first few weeks.
I've read a lot everywhere and I can't find an answer. However, this is the source I trust the most.
Sorry for the novice question but I'ma novice.
I'm in hydro and use it a bit different. I add enough to raise my ppm by about 100. Then don't add anymore until my next res change halfway through flower. Then add again enough to raise 100ppm. 2 weeks before harvest I change res and do not add.Additive so over and above what your feed is. Use as directed. I use monopotassium phosphate... Sooooo much cheaper and thats what they dissolve and dilute and then put into the bottle and slap a label on it then mark it up 1000x's.
Well said... I agree. If your just here to feed your ego and not to give advice or help.... Then fuck off.The best thing you can do is stop asking the wrong questions especially to someone who personalizes his growing based on feelings or his personal relationship with his ego
The best thing you can do is stop asking the wrong questions especially to someone who personalizes his growing based on feelings or his personal relationship with his ego learning the basics is a must...and knowing the 16 elements and what each one does is also important this is the only trade where the majority dont know or understand the tools of their trade...the majority learning by consensus makes good consumers not good cultivator's
Just a newbie asking for advice, brother. Peace....
Aquaman: Thanks. That's the help I needed.
I thought it was a valid question, especially if you're new to nutes and cultivating the awesome plant.
Additive so over and above what your feed is. Use as directed. I use monopotassium phosphate... Sooooo much cheaper and thats what they dissolve and dilute and then put into the bottle and slap a label on it then mark it up 1000x's.
Yup time and experience. You never stop learning or making mistakes and if you do then you have likely given up. Still learning and fucking up all the time here.Haha, maybe someday Aquaman and I'm positive you're right. I sure the margins are absurd, but hey, I'll get there. You're only new once.
Question: when using these additives, does the amount used include the normal A B or do I adjust the base nutes? In other words, say I feed at 700ppms normally. Now when I add this stuff does it go on top of the 700ppms or do I lighten the load to get to 700 with Boost? They're looking pretty good and I'm gun-shy to go to heavy after an experience the first few weeks.
A common rule of thumb: cut the base nutes in half, and use the "booster" at half the labeled strength.
I have a spreadsheet (<<link) which will figure this stuff out for you. View the "readme" pdf first. There are three examples of using the spreadsheet. Once you understand those three examples, you can enter your Canna products, and then "mix" them according to your schedule and see the NPK ratios and PPM strengths which result.
I like doing this because instead of thinking in terms of "5ml of this bottle, 10ml of that," you're thinking in terms of the NPK proportions the plant is receiving. You can read your plant better, knowing how those proportions change through the grow (or with a "booster.").
The calculated PPMs are not exactly what you'll see when mixed. P & K are confusing because the label represents the % of P2O5 & K2O. The measured PPMs are typically somewhere between the calculated elemental P & K, and those compounds. (It drops the longer the nutrient solution sits out too.). If "mixed" your schedule in the spreadsheet, you should see how the calculated PPMs track what you measure (in actual use). The calculated PPMs become a sanity check.
For example, if feed 5ml "A," and 10ml "B", an thats calcualted as 350/420ppm, and then you add 5ml of the "booster." You can use those calculated ppms to walk the A+B amounts down to a similar calculated ppm. If the NPK ratios to high PK (relative to N), you can reduce the "booster," and raise the A&B. You just use the calculated PPMs as a target while modifying the *ratio* using the different bottles.
You might not get into it. But, I like it because I can quickly see what multiple bottles turn into when mixed together. And, how to recreate that using other bottles. I think it's more informative to know what the plant's receiving (in its language, not the multi-bottle language of 5ml of the orange stuff, and 3ml of the blue stuff.). When you know you're feeding NPK ratio 1.8-1-2.2 in veg, then you have a *baseline* that you can compare other products too. If you thought of switching to something else, it wouldn't be a leap of faith. You'd know *exactly* how the nutrients are changing (if it's higher N, or lower K; if it's raising P faster, earlier in flower).
Also, if a schedule works for you, you can recreate those ratios using ordinary off-the-shelf stuff (fish emulsion, bat guano, potassium sulfate). I play around with that a lot. I think it helps to learn to "read your plant" when you know that this feeding's N is higher. Or, you're raising P by 30% instead of 10% in early flower. I like that insight. It's something you correlate to what you see in the plant.
Good advice.
I don't like cutting nitrogen until late flower. Personally I keep my base nutes up. I find it's also better ratio that way but that's just me.
I use hydrobuddy same kinda deal. Punch in my base nutes, takes my tap water makeup into account and then can tweek with anything like. Kinda why I prefer dry nutes, I don't have to reverse engineer products.Me too. I wasn't suggesting the OP use a booster (now, or ever). But, if he's going to do it, it's nice to model it in the spreadsheet first, see what the result is.
The "cut the base nutes in half, use half the labeled booster amount" can still produce crazy NPK ratios (like 1-8-6) when the person might have felt more comfortable doing 1-4-3. If/when the OP doe this, it would be good to know what the NPK ratio is (and how the calculated PPMs compare to normal feeding). In the future the OP might try stronger or weaker boosting. Just cutting in half doesn't say much about what the result is, and whether to go higher or lower next time. It's just flipping a coin and hoping it does something good. If it doesn't, you don't know which direction to go next time.
That's what I like about the spreadsheet. It's not as ambiguous. Everything you do can be a data point for what you do next time. You can know how 1-3-2 compares to 1-8-6. Everyone says "learn to read your plants." But, an important part of that is to know what they're responding to. The multi-bottle schedules don't provide that info.
I got the idea to do this from the way hydro growers use the free hydobuddy program to mix bulk salts to get known targets (recipes).
I use hydrobuddy same kinda deal. Punch in my base nutes, takes my tap water makeup into account and then can tweek with anything like. Kinda why I prefer dry nutes, I don't have to reverse engineer products.
I tried to do this in hydrobuddy around 2014. Even though hb is much more powerful (you tell it the products you have, and the nutrient profile you want to achieve, and it will tell you how much of each product to use), I couldn't figure out how to do what I wanted to do. It may be possible to do in hb. But, I couldn't get there as directly as I wanted to.
Sometimes my brain works differently and I have to do it a certain way. To me, I was thinking in terms of modelling what is actually happening with bottles. Whereas, HB seems more gearted toward "these are the products I have... I want this nutrient profile, tell me what to use." It's very powerful as a problem-solving machine. But, to me, I wanted to peck around at things, see what happens when mixing things. More of a forensic tool than a problem-solving tool. A more direct way to see how tweaking a schedule affects the result.
Hydrobuddy is definitely worth looking at. Everyone should be familiar with it. As a free software, it's like the PKzip of gardening (as PKzip was to computing in the 1980s). Everyone should be familiar with it. I'm not not trying to be what it is.
this is simple tell you what ill send you a large sample of cogos original after you use it you will never look backBut I have to ask this question. I've been researching everywhere trying to find an answer to Cannas Cannaboost/ PK 13/14.
I realize the PK is down the road a bit and most just use it for a week. I'm in week two of flower and both those products will be here tomorrow. Like everything else I've used ( after overfeeding), I use about half of what's recomended. So I think I have a pretty good understanding of what my girls like.
Question: when using these additives, does the amount used include the normal A B or do I adjust the base nutes? In other words, say I feed at 700ppms normally. Now when I add this stuff does it go on top of the 700ppms or do I lighten the load to get to 700 with Boost? They're looking pretty good and I'm gun-shy to go to heavy after an experience the first few weeks.
I've read a lot everywhere and I can't find an answer. However, this is the source I trust the most.
Sorry for the novice question but I'ma novice.
if you cut nitrogen at all it should be very late into floweringGood advice.
I don't like cutting nitrogen until late flower. Personally I keep my base nutes up. I find it's also better ratio that way but that's just me.
this is simple tell you what ill send you a large sample of cogos original after you use it you will never look back
As far as Canna A&B, it really doesn't make sense that you can use those two products only from start to finish given distant stages require diff NPK levels. According to Canna, you can do that, but I'm skeptical that you would get the same results compared to using different levels at different times. Has anyone done straight A&B from start to finish? Am I wrong on this?
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