Exactly..The clone onlys around blow anything away in seed form. You may find something that holds its own against the big 3 but...it'd take like 1000 seeds. I remember that Swerve got a SFV and Bubba from our GH crew in 1999/2000. I like the guy...think he has some good stuff out. But its not the clone only...he has an s1 of sfv but he does have the best bubba cut ever...the real bubba...pre, pre-98.
I purchased a King Louie 13th OG clone on the 6th and it was the shops last one, the owner told me he was getting more no later than the 8th. I picked up the other 11 on the 8th, today the 26th I noticed something while pruning and rotating my bags that only one of the 11 have the same smell ( from the stalk) six of the 12 look the same and have reached the same height they smell like lime and pinesol with a hint of skunk, the 2 shortest ones are more bushy and stout with a bubblegum diesel smell, and the last tall lanky ones smell like lemon gas.Growing up in California I believe that og's have the specific terpenoids and cannabinoids to blow away any genetics I've ever seen in Amsterdam. Obviously cannabis breeding has to come from a limited amount of feral varieties that have high THC content; Mainly African/asian equatorial sativas, and India/Paki/Nepali/Afghani kush/indica strains that have been brought out in the past 50 years. Prior to that cannabis was used for 1000's of years but the strains were indigenous to specific regions and crossbreeding could not have occurred in the scale it has reached in today's horticulture. Since there has been little to no DNA sequencing of cannabis that I am aware of, I try to breed back to parental stock or find vastly different strains that display similar/identical growth patterns and make crosses that increase resin production, flavor and potency in the progeny. I consider my growing skills to be limited in comparison to many master growers elaborate commercial set-ups but I feel that we are close to reaching the pinnacle of cannabis potency by following these two methods: Backcrossing to create stable hybrids for breeding by finding heirloom strains that share a common ancestor; strains that have been dialed in to reach their maximum potential in different environments. Having the ability to recognize that two completely different strains may have been grown 1000's of miles apart and share a common ancestor is crucial to isolating and increasing the production of specific cannabinoids found in each strain and keeping genetic integrity intact. I want to know why I like what I like, where it came from, how to improve upon it and how to assure that specific genetics stay intact for future generations. As our science advances hopefully we'll truly learn the potential of cannabis usage; both positive and negative. Pardon my writing while drinking and possibly failing attempt to sound smart. I welcome all to contribute their knowledge, strains they like, why certain crosses should be made and whether or not they believe I'm on the right track or full of BS.
What I truly seek are people who have knowledge and pictures of some of the seeds I have recently acquired. I have been on an og kick since around 1999. I first saw an SFV in 1994/1995 and I got some of the first cuts of "SFV OG" and "Bubba" in 1999 from Granada Hills and Simi Valley. They were the best and nothing new exceeds them.
I've grown pretty much every og s1 or hybrid to hit the So Cal market. Tahoe, Larry, SFV, Skywalker, Poison, XXX, Ghost, Faceoff, Abusive, Old School, $100, King Louie, Mars, Jupiter, Earth, Holy Grail, Madman, Obama, Fire, and various crosses of the above. I also had the original bubba which blew away the pre-98, katsu, platinum, North Hollywood, twisted sister, bomb threat etc.
I've made a few crosses with clones that looked almost identical in structure but had very dissimilar flavor and high. SFV x King Louie, $100 OG (DRC) x Tahoe, Madman x Obama. I can make these crosses again but they will always be feminized and will therefore never reach their full potential. These are all so amazingly dank and I hold on to my 20-30 seeds of these crosses as part of my project. The few dispensaries that have popped seed and kept cuts have lame names for them "key lime og, hardcore og, wheelchair og, brain freeze og" etc etc.
So..I bought a bunch of seeds to play with recently: Sin City Seeds, Gage Green Genetics, Rare Dankness, Bodhi, DNA/Reserva Pravada. The list goes on. I'll post a list of what I have and if you have pheno pix before flip to 12/12 and bud pix after 50 days or so you could really help me to plan what I will cross with...and possibly get some free testers and a cannabis cup winning quality strain to play with if you pm me. For now. Sin City Seeds: Rappers Delight, Sourflame og, Galactic Jack, Sinfully Sour, True Power OG, Nightmare OG, Nightfire OG, Sins OG, Blue Power, Powernap, Petroleum Nightmare. I see a lot of progressive options cuts in there to BX to. I'm also thinking the Dr Cletus Sour Kush or Lemon Larry might go well with Sinfully Sour.
The list goes on Rare Dankness: Scotts Og, Lee Roy, Rugburn, Khyber Kush, 4 Corners and Vale Vale.
Humboldt Seeds: Lost Coast OG, Desert Diesel, Amherst Sour Diesel, Bubba Kush, Trainwreck and Green Crack. Hazeman: Blue Bubba. Cali Connect: Chem 4 og, Boss Hogg, Chem Valley Kush, Buddha Tahoe. Kens Estes: Bay 11, Bay Dream, Kens Kush. Gage Green Genetics GGG: 5 K puff, Good Ideas. Also weird freebies sourstar 5 x goji og and goji#5 x polardawg chem 3. If you have pix of any of these in veg and flower or know anything about cannabis botany that night help me. Please post pix. I've been around a while. I know the "ocean grown" story is bs. I recall the strain spoke of in that urban legend and the strain was called "magooey" back in 1995..it ruled Huntington and South County. The same grower (Larry) got an og around 2002 and that Ocean Grown story was made up sometime after. I know that SFV OG was the original followed shortly by tahoe but obviously they have some similar parents somewhere in their lineage and its not chemdawg; though I love skunk va, chem d and chem 4. Put your two cents..and hopefully pix in!
veging since dec 8thI purchased a King Louie 13th OG clone on the 6th and it was the shops last one, the owner told me he was getting more no later than the 8th. I picked up the other 11 on the 8th, today the 26th I noticed something while pruning and rotating my bags that only one of the 11 have the same smell ( from the stalk) six of the 12 look the same and have reached the same height they smell like lime and pinesol with a hint of skunk, the 2 shortest ones are more bushy and stout with a bubblegum diesel smell, and the last tall lanky ones smell like lemon gas.
Pretty sure they are all indica, the tallest ones grew 3 bladed leaves and now 5 blades, the six that are the same size have 7 blades, the original King louie and the one smaller one I think is Louie are growing 6 blades.
Also not sure if it matters, but the middle fingers on my upper leaves for 6 plants have 17-18 spikes along each blade and the other 6 have between 13-15 spikes per blade. Just something I picked up on, I'll gab my phone right quick and post pics.