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We are all phenos that grew to be the way we now are, ya know?
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I miss hugs an awful lot. And cuddling/snuggling. But that part has zero to do with a pandemic.
I miss passing the joint around... A little... Sometimes... But not often.
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Oh no disaster i over proofed in my new oven lmfao oh well it's edible and the crust is good.
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This thing is just a giant breadstick hahaha great excuse to eat all of it tonight while it's hot!Oh no disaster i over proofed in my new oven lmfao oh well it's edible and the crust is good.
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Oh no disaster i over proofed in my new oven lmfao oh well it's edible and the crust is good.
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You had so much more potential just a few hours ago...........
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Nothing cheese can't fix
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We are operating more on a spread concept atm....Nothing cheese can't fix
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I'm already a little scared going into Capitalism and Schizophrenia, that it might be a bit of circle-jerk of "look how much I've read and how I can poke fun at these men by poking holes in their outdated rhetoric."
Being illiterate, I fear I might not keep up. Although, I do see where you're drawing connections to much of my own rhetoric and thusly recommending it to me. I'll press on. But, I'd be lying if I said my skepticism (and maybe illiteracy) wasn't smashing the glass case around that eject button already.
(also might just be a bit much to swallow with the morning coffee...)
(also, I have this crippling tendency to need to know all of the backstory/reference of something before I get into that thing. So, in this case, I feel like I'd need to read all of Nietzsche, Marx, Freud, Reich, Hitler, Miller, Kafka, Lawrence, Proust, Burroughs, Ginsberg, Laing... All Of It!.. to really be able to approach this with any kind of legitimate opinion)
Being illiterate, I fear I might not keep up. Although, I do see where you're drawing connections to much of my own rhetoric and thusly recommending it to me. I'll press on. But, I'd be lying if I said my skepticism (and maybe illiteracy) wasn't smashing the glass case around that eject button already.
(also might just be a bit much to swallow with the morning coffee...)
(also, I have this crippling tendency to need to know all of the backstory/reference of something before I get into that thing. So, in this case, I feel like I'd need to read all of Nietzsche, Marx, Freud, Reich, Hitler, Miller, Kafka, Lawrence, Proust, Burroughs, Ginsberg, Laing... All Of It!.. to really be able to approach this with any kind of legitimate opinion)
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Honestly dude. That's what is so nuts. You can't.I'm already a little scared going into Capitalism and Schizophrenia, that it might be a bit of circle-jerk of "look how much I've read and how I can poke fun at these men by poking holes in their outdated rhetoric."
Being illiterate, I fear I might not keep up. Although, I do see where you're drawing connections to much of my own rhetoric and thusly recommending it to me. I'll press on. But, I'd be lying if I said my skepticism (and maybe illiteracy) wasn't smashing the glass case around that eject button already.
(also might just be a bit much to swallow with the morning coffee...)
(also, I have this crippling tendency to need to know all of the backstory/reference of something before I get into that thing. So, in this case, I feel like I'd need to read all of Nietzsche, Marx, Freud, Reich, Hitler, Miller, Kafka, Lawrence, Proust, Burroughs, Ginsberg, Laing... All Of It!.. to really be able to approach this with any kind of legitimate opinion)
It's designed to thwart that.
You NEED to let go of that to get anything. NOBODY can get it "completely" because it's like, half poem.
It's metaphors, not concepts. They aren't not explaining to be dicks.
If you believe quantum theory, then it's possible for something to be both there and not there.
Do you need to 100% "get" a complex joke to laugh?
Is a joke true or false?
Is life about as serious as a poignant joke?
Hell of a lot easier to just let go and ride it out after practicing with drugs??????!??!
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Well put.Honestly dude. That's what is so nuts. You can't.
It's designed to thwart that.
You NEED to let go of that to get anything. NOBODY can get it "completely" because it's like, half poem.
It's metaphors, not concepts. They aren't not explaining to be dicks.
If you believe quantum theory, then it's possible for something to be both there and not there.
Do you need to 100% "get" a complex joke to laugh?
Is a joke true or false?
Is life about as serious as a poignant joke?
Hell of a lot easier to just let go and ride it out after practicing with drugs??????!??!
On, I press.
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Honestly dude. That's what is so nuts. You can't.
It's designed to thwart that.
You NEED to let go of that to get anything. NOBODY can get it "completely" because it's like, half poem.
It's metaphors, not concepts. They aren't not explaining to be dicks.
If you believe quantum theory, then it's possible for something to be both there and not there.
Do you need to 100% "get" a complex joke to laugh?
Is a joke true or false?
Is life about as serious as a poignant joke?
Hell of a lot easier to just let go and ride it out after practicing with drugs??????!??!
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I never read it more than one section at a time. It's too dense. But again, there is no need and not necessarily any advantage....Well put.
On, I press.
It's worth noting that Deleuze wrote before this on david hume, a Scottish philosopher who basically patiently showed the limitations of "i think, therefore I am" as being a not great starting point for philosophy because you can't even get causation from there.
And Deleuze was like "lol that's because the delineation of "I" is basically stupid as is an insistence on Truth"
So he tried to work it out from there.
Literally if all you do is steal one metaphor from the text, it's worth the start. And the authors would agree you don't need to read anymore lmao is it nonsense or great or neither?
Depends what you take. But if you take nothing that's cool and they are sorry you didn't like the show.
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William Blake.
The things I recognize above, especially the crystal cabinet....i mean god damn that is a poem imo. The ephemeral!!!
The wisdom of the plants (from the rhizomes essay).
Anyway, good morning. Puttering around today as i procrastinate a bit on a busy day.
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I have a knack for generating really left-field interpretations for shit that the authors never came close to meaning.I never read it more than one section at a time. It's too dense. But again, there is no need and not necessarily any advantage....
It's worth noting that Deleuze wrote before this on david hume, a Scottish philosopher who basically patiently showed the limitations of "i think, therefore I am" as being a not great starting point for philosophy because you can't even get causation from there.
And Deleuze was like "lol that's because the delineation of "I" is basically stupid as is an insistence on Truth"
So he tried to work it out from there.
Literally if all you do is steal one metaphor from the text, it's worth the start. And the authors would agree you don't need to read anymore lmao is it nonsense or great or neither?
Depends what you take. But if you take nothing that's cool and they are sorry you didn't like the show.
I think it comes from my asociality, rejection of narratives and persuasives, and extreme fondness of the dictionary.
It makes me worse than illiterate... more like hypo-literate, where the individual inputs branch off into a menagerie of possible outcomes. Organizing that shit into anything coherent is like piecing together a play-doh jigsaw puzzle of source code.
Probably one of the reasons I was drawn to expository and descriptive texts... don't leave anything to interpretation, please
I'm ever working through that. This may help curb that a bit.
Basically, I'll get something out of it. Will it be anything close to a normal interpretation? Probably not.
(This might have come off a bit arrogant. Trust me, it's a disability. I'm probably "on the spectrum" as people have classified it these days.)
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There is no normal interpretation! Draw a picture!!!!I have a knack for generating really left-field interpretations for shit that the authors never came close to meaning.
I think it comes from my asociality, rejection of narratives and persuasives, and extreme fondness of the dictionary.
It makes me worse than illiterate... more like hypo-literate, where the individual inputs branch off into a menagerie of possible outcomes. Organizing that shit into anything coherent is like piecing together a play-doh jigsaw puzzle of source code.
Probably one of the reasons I was drawn to expository and descriptive texts... don't leave anything to interpretation, please
I'm ever working through that. This may help curb that a bit.
Basically, I'll get something out of it. Will it be anything close to a normal interpretation? Probably not.
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Yeah... a very hara hachi bu approach seems necessary for this one to not bloat you.I never read it more than one section at a time. It's too dense.
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(This might have come off a bit arrogant. Trust me, it's a disability. I'm probably "on the spectrum" as people have classified it these days.)
Don't worry about intellectual arrogance here, please. I started off this thread with a rant about how truth is not real. Milson both has a very healthy intellectual ego and also thinks of the ego as a bit of a joke he's in on. Society thinks he's nuts, so does he, and yr good.
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These cost like twenty bucks total! Hooray! Just gotta finish up this portal for a meeting tomorrow and I can dig in!
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I never read it more than one section at a time. It's too dense. But again, there is no need and not necessarily any advantage....
It's worth noting that Deleuze wrote before this on david hume, a Scottish philosopher who basically patiently showed the limitations of "i think, therefore I am" as being a not great starting point for philosophy because you can't even get causation from there.
And Deleuze was like "lol that's because the delineation of "I" is basically stupid as is an insistence on Truth"
So he tried to work it out from there.
Literally if all you do is steal one metaphor from the text, it's worth the start. And the authors would agree you don't need to read anymore lmao is it nonsense or great or neither?
Depends what you take. But if you take nothing that's cool and they are sorry you didn't like the show.
Sorry to keep going back to this, but... man, that intro is really fucking discouraging in contrast to the content of their writing (and the translator - who does a phenomenal job with their reference notes, etc.)
It's definitely convoluted, but it's very fluid once you get past the bad taste in your mouth from the introduction. For me, at least.
It's like... yeah, it contextualizes it. But it does it in such a superfluous and elitist manner as to kind of say, "you'll be left in the dust if you're not keen to these philosophies." That's how I took it, at least. And one of the reasons I've always been repulsed by academia - that elitism that sees peoples' noses pointed high to the sky up each other's asses.
Thanks for the persistent recommendation! (I'll touch back when I consume and process a larger portion of it.)
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which introduction?Sorry to keep going back to this, but... man, that intro is really fucking discouraging in contrast to the content of their writing (and the translator - who does a phenomenal job with their reference notes, etc.)
It's definitely convoluted, but it's very fluid once you get past the bad taste in your mouth from the introduction. For me, at least.
It's like... yeah, it contextualizes it. But it does it in such a superfluous and elitist manner as to kind of say, "you'll be left in the dust if you're not keen to these philosophies." That's how I took it, at least. And one of the reasons I've always been repulsed by academia - that elitism that sees peoples' noses pointed high to the sky up each other's asses.
Thanks for the persistent recommendation! (I'll touch back when I consume and process a larger portion of it.)
because yeah you can see how the person they get to do the introduction almost never has much more of an idea what they are talking about than you do after sitting with it a while lmao. or they always lose me because i don't get all their freudian and lacanian and marxist references as I am only loosely literate in the vocabulary of each (the marxist theory of alienation is f*cking genius and that is almost all i get from him that i can really grasp well..same with Freud and the idea that a subconscious exists lol after that i think he was mostly a coke head).
It's part of the beauty....that they come from two totally different disciplines, thought they had productive conversations, and left the dynamism between the two of them in....so it just makes no sense to try to synthesize on anything other than a personal level. There is no direct meaning transmission happening where the "author" even pretended to try to make it super coherent.
That said, as you mention, there are really good opportunities for notes because their ideas kind of bloom outward and inward (not building up). I really wonder what they would have done with the ability to hyperlink like the web does. Unfortunately they both died before the web happened really.
I mean if you don't read part of any intro to them and say "well that's nonsense" then idk, either you're a genius or you are lying to yourself hahahahaha.
imo.
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