Check My Math: Adding Disodium EDTA to Your HydroBuddy Nutrient Recipe?

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I would like someone who makes their own fertilizer to check my math.

I've learned Hydro Buddy and I have created my "ideal" nutrient recipe (in theory).

However, I want to make sure I understand the formula for adding Disodium EDTA to chelate my Fe, Mn, Zn & Cu.

From what I have extrapolated from Dr. Daniel Fernandez's various comments at the bottom of his DIY Nutrient videos on YouTube, it goes something like this.



1) After Final Recipe has been chosen and concentrated (i.e. 1 Liter @ 200:1),
you take the millimolar concentration amount and change 'ppm' to mM' on "Main Page."


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After Switching to 'mM," it looks like this:

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2) Once you have the millimolar concentration, you add up the 4 numbers:

Fe: 4.298E-02
Mn: 9.101E-03
Zn: 3.363E-03
Cu: 4.721E-03
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= 6.02E-02 (0.0602)

Actually it is: 0.060165



3) Once you establish this number:

Multiply by the concentration Amount (200:1). It would be multiply by 100 if 100:1.

0.060165 x 200
= 12.033



4) Next he likes to add 20 or 25% for safety.

12.033 x 1.25
=15.041



5) Now you take your "safe" total and multiply by the molar mass of Disodium EDTA (336.21) for your grams:

15.0412 x 0.33621



That leaves you with the grams required.

However, the number isn't necessairly complete.

In this case it is, but if amount was 0.5 liter it would be differnet.



For Final Number, Multiply grams by volume of concentration (1 Liter):

5.06 x 1.00
= 5.06 grams




If it it were for 0.5 liters, then it would be :
5.06 x 0.5
=2.53 grams



Below I'll show an example (not final) of my "template" worksheet:

Items in RED are to remind me to double check things that can change:

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ExNavyInSTL

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I just hope I put it in a form so that people who do know what I am talking about can make sense of it.

Here is a little more background. The first is a screenshot from me. His answer had me going back to my college chemistry classes (I got Ds in both).

I was suddenly using a periodic table to get molar mass, then going to calculators for molar concentration, etc.

Then in another video's comments, he put it in a way that made the lightbulb go on in my head. HydroBuddy already had molar concentration inside. You just had to change one setting.

From that answer, I was able to formulate the question above (I hope).
 
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ExNavyInSTL

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I got my answer. Even better, this way is more concise.



I should add: I hope I got my answer.

To complete the calculation determining the amount of Disodium EDTA needed for proper chelation, you will need to know:

(1)
Elemental PPMS of the 4 metals (comes from HydroBuddy (see bottom section of my attachment)

(2) Molecular Weight of the exact formula for your metal.
For example, my Fe is Iron Sulphate - Heptahydrate (Fe2H14O19S3) - 278.01 g/mol
Just Google the Formula to get your Molecular weight

(3) Once you have those 2 things, you are off to the races.

Special Note: I am just a guy on the internet. I would trust me as much as you would a teenage boy taking your daughter on a first date to a 10-kegger party.

Also, my phrases (i.e. Molecular weight, vs. molar mass, etc.) may be off, but the math solutions should be correct.



Calculations to complete in this order:

(a) Divide individual metal element's PPM by molecular weight:


For example, in my scenario I have 2.4 ppm of my Fe and we know the molecular weight is 278.01

2.4 / 278.01 = 0.00863

(b) Add (by multiplying) 20 to 25% to this number for a safety factor.
I'm going with 25% because of my inexperience.

0.00863 x 1.25 = 0.0108

(c) Next, multiply your 25% padded number by the molecular weight of Disodium EDTA (372.24)
In my case the m. weight was listed on my container.

0.0108 x 372.24 = 4.017

(d) Do these steps for all four of your metals to chelate.

To expedite, here are all four of my values


Fe: 4.017 grams
+ Mn: 1.541
+ Zn: 0.634
+ Cu: 0.559
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6.751 grams of Disodium EDTA



Below, I will attach my updated "Template in the Making." I say in the making because I seem to change it every day.

I put in the formulas for all of the math, so it isn't a big deal after the first time. Of course, I still triple-check my formulas. So, it's a wash. : )

I know I can't be the only person who said they wanted to make their own nutrients, who didn't want to buy them already chelated or in a multi-metal mix (i.e. Peter's S.T.E.M.)

I'll report back if I kill my plants or my wife's tomatoes.

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