Chem Dog History

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JJ-NYC

Chemdog History

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Brief background: This thread was started by H&L and edited by JJ-NYC.

At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘Chemdog’ (now ’91 Chemdog), ‘Chemdog a’ (now Chemdog’s sister), and ‘Chemdog b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and Chemdog ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdog phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'.

In 1992, JJ became friends with the Weasel in central park. Sometime in 1992-93 the Weasel met Chemdog at a Phish show. They traded clones and he brought the Mass. Super Skunk and 91 Chemdog back with him to New York City and renamed the 91 Chem, "Diesel". Sour Diesel and Under Dawg came out of these clones.

Original Chemdog Crosses:
• 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdog in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.

• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdog x DNL after the DNL hermed and
seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is Hawaiian/RFK Skunk X NL.) or 91 Chemdog X Mass Super Skunk

• Underdawg came from a cross of '91 Chemdog x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

• 'chemdog' and friends made several crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:

1. Super Snowdog (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chemdog D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdog’s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chemdog D x ’93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdog D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)

JJ-NYC has been working on a Chemdog D-based seed line for several years now. He started by crossing Chemdog D to Sensi's Afghani after thoroughly testing both Sensi's Afghani and Sensi's Hindu Kush to determine which was more stable and would be better for the initial cross. JJ then did a backcross, known as "Double Dawg." Several phenos of this circulate and several people still have beans. JJ's latest work to the line is a second backcross known as "Tres Dawg" which is just starting to get tested. The Tres has produced many keeper strains, Tres Dawg(Chemdog D X Afghani #1 BX2), Star Dawg(Chemdog #4 X Tres Dawg), White Dawg(The White X Tres Dawg), and recently a new 91 Chem cross, Original New York City Diesel(91 Chem X Tres Dawg).

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91 Chemdog
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Chemdog D
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Chemdog's Sister
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Chemdog #1
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Chemdog #2
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Chemdog #3
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Chemdog #4

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Dawg Daze
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Giesel
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Super Snowdog
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Double Dawg
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ECSD
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OG Kush
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Original Diesel
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Chemdog D x Pbud
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JJ-NYC

JJ-NYC

I have no knowledge of OG's. @loompa was never given a cut. His cut is a fake. It may be some kind of Chem or Diesel but not UnderDawg like he claims. I called him out and he said "the cut came from someone from NY, so it must be real". The UnderDawg cut was never given out. It ultimately lost it's vigor, smell, and strength and was culled out. The UnderDawg was also called Head Band, and Daywrecker. Two strains today that are not real UnderDawg. Just renamed OG/Sour crosses.
 
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ElManiaco

ElManiaco

There's many breeders using "UnderDawg/Daywrecker/Original Diesel" being used in many crosses... So these breeders had no access nor were they ever gifted a cut? Wow, that's pretty messed up..
Talk about misrepresentation of genetics.. So another question after reading your post @JJ-NYC...
Where you describe the DNL, is it a typo (which probably is) it states it's ""Hawiian/RFK skunk x NL OR Chemdog 91 x Mass Super Skunk"... Does the OR mean it's possible it could be the latter or you just made the typo?
Thanks

Edit- Re-read it twice & realized it's a typo... It's just there right before the UnderDawg lineage description... It's actually the UnderDawg's lineage.
 
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Natural

Natural

There's many breeders using "UnderDawg/Daywrecker/Original Diesel" being used in many crosses... So these breeders had no access nor were they ever gifted a cut? Wow, that's pretty messed up..
Talk about misrepresentation of genetics.. So another question after reading your post @JJ-NYC...
Where you describe the DNL, is it a typo (which probably is) it states it's ""Hawiian/RFK skunk x NL OR Chemdog 91 x Mass Super Skunk"... Does the OR mean it's possible it could be the latter or you just made the typo?
Thanks

Edit- Re-read it twice & realized it's a typo... It's just there right before the UnderDawg lineage description... It's actually the UnderDawg's lineage.
I think the variable is "what is sour diesel"?
Is it Chemdog 91 x DNL or is it Chemdog 91 x MSS? I think we know that DNL is the Hawaiian/RFK skunk. I'm sure JJ will chime in when he gets a chance.


I have no knowledge of OG's. @loompa was never given a cut. His cut is a fake. It may be some kind of Chem or Diesel but not UnderDawg like he claims. I called him out and he said "the cut came from someone from NY, so it must be real". The UnderDawg cut was never given out. It ultimately lost it's vigor, smell, and strength and was culled out. The UnderDawg was also called Head Band, and Daywrecker. Two strains today that are not real UnderDawg. Just renamed OG/Sour crosses.
I thought we all got to the point where we all agree that Loompa's HB is an OG strain. Maybe your just re-iterating an old convo.
I had an Original Diesel that I got from PA and it was most likely an S1 bagseed. It was an old ass strain though..real hard to pull the skunk funk out of it, that it once posessed..and everytime I thought I dialed it..it kept drifting to a sweet floral tone..still was a very strong strain heady sativa type.
Good luck with all the new work JJ..and Happy New Year brother!
 
ElManiaco

ElManiaco

This is what people need... This info is a great starting point from JJ's side... Now all we need is to go further back so maybe one day Chemdog, Chemfather, Joebrand, weasel, pbud, & whoever else, can add their part of history to their fullest ability with the utmost certainty.
History addicts like myself, love the truth & many others would gladly welcome this I'm sure.
Another point made was whom recieved what (cuts) from the seeds Chemdog found/popped/grew. Luckily they were labeled & that part is known.
Are any of these guys members here or does anyone have a way of bringing them on? I know they were/are members on another forum but don't know if they're currently active. Hmmm.
Thanks again
 
true grit

true grit

I have no knowledge of OG's. @loompa was never given a cut. His cut is a fake. It may be some kind of Chem or Diesel but not UnderDawg like he claims. I called him out and he said "the cut came from someone from NY, so it must be real". The UnderDawg cut was never given out. It ultimately lost it's vigor, smell, and strength and was culled out. The UnderDawg was also called Head Band, and Daywrecker. Two strains today that are not real UnderDawg. Just renamed OG/Sour crosses.
Just to be clear- his cut isn't fake, it's just straight OG. Never seen them claim it be a chem/diesel...The underdawg/headband non sense is him/they just changing the name/story for advertising as they tend to do for hype. Medic said just call it the PK it is ;)
 
Power OG

Power OG

JJ I've talked to Loompa on this and in no way is he trying to link his UnderDog with yours. His cut was given to him as HeadBand, he almost threw her away but a friend showed up with Dank and it just so happened it was the same cut he had given his friend. Hince UnderDog meaning he almost under estimated her and threw her away. Thank God he didn't because its, the best weed out. He is in no way claiming to have your Underdawg at all, they are not the same strains. I respect both of you guys, & y'all s creations speak for themselves . I just dnt think anyone is intentionally misleading anyone.
Positive Vibes & Respect
 
caveman4.20

caveman4.20

When I say fake, I mean not UnderDawg. UnderDawg has no OG in it and to say UnderDawg/Headband or UnderDawg OG is just not true. It just misleads people.
OG for original or over grow or original gangster or ocean grown........ this shit will never end until we give Credit to the true creator.
GOD

JJ I've talked to Loompa on this and in no way is he trying to link his UnderDog with yours. His cut was given to him as HeadBand, he almost threw her away but a friend showed up with Dank and it just so happened it was the same cut he had given his friend. Hince UnderDog meaning he almost under estimated her and threw her away. Thank God he didn't because its, the best weed out. He is in no way claiming to have your Underdawg at all, they are not the same strains. I respect both of you guys, & y'all s creations speak for themselves . I just dnt think anyone is intentionally misleading anyone.
Positive Vibes & Respect
Your effort to keep the peace is admirable but I'm sorry to inform you that UnderDawg or Underdog, neither of them, are the best weed out. There is no best weed out right now, hence the shitstorm for accurate history to prove an illusionary spot for Numero Uno which will never exist especially with the claims of creating a plant lol now.....fuck a patent and fuck the weedillusionoti.....

@JJ-NYC I'll always be anxious for your next update and I admire your effort in pushing shit uphill
 
Power OG

Power OG

OG for original or over grow or original gangster or ocean grown........ this shit will never end until we give Credit to the true creator.
GOD

Your effort to keep the peace is admirable but I'm sorry to inform you that UnderDawg or Underdog, neither of them, are the best weed out. There is no best weed out right now, hence the shitstorm for accurate history to prove an illusionary spot for Numero Uno which will never exist especially with the claims of creating a plant lol now.....fuck a patent and fuck the weedillusionoti.....

@JJ-NYC I'll always be anxious for your next update and I admire your effort in pushing shit uphill
I agree, god gets all the credit, and the many cannabis warrior's that came b4 us. In my opinion Loompa's HB/UD is the strongest and best herb I've smoked to date. Agreed there is no "best" ever. Our opinions are always biased because none of us have smoked the strains they were smoking 2000 years ago, we can only give opinion's on the strains we have seen and tried. So yes complete biased opinion indeed.
Respect
 
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happy b

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I agree,there's no one strain that could be called the undisputed best . however there are a few strains that are always spoke of as the best . All of jj,s work is considered some of the best as is Loompas plus a few others.
 
Canman

Canman

Is there more history to the Chem story posted somewhere else? Say like what was going on between 1993 and JJ's first drop of Chemdog? Makes me wonder how much money was made on high end delivery services in NYC. I bet those were some appreciative customers. Anyways, looking forward to the HTCC in San Bern. See you there. Thank God Loompa didn't hold his cut til 2030 before sharing with all.
 
JJ-NYC

JJ-NYC

JJ I've talked to Loompa on this and in no way is he trying to link his UnderDog with yours. His cut was given to him as HeadBand, he almost threw her away but a friend showed up with Dank and it just so happened it was the same cut he had given his friend. Hince UnderDog meaning he almost under estimated her and threw her away. Thank God he didn't because its, the best weed out. He is in no way claiming to have your Underdawg at all, they are not the same strains. I respect both of you guys, & y'all s creations speak for themselves . I just dnt think anyone is intentionally misleading anyone.
Positive Vibes & Respect
Then he should change the name. The name been used since 1995. Just like soma should. They are both using the names of something that existed before they named their strains. It's clearly for marketing purposes to mislead people. Intentional or not it's misleading. Bottom line.
 
JJ-NYC

JJ-NYC

Pbud Mike
Chemdog name history lesson:

It was and still is dog bud or "the dog" to me. My friends and I in 1991 started calling the famous dogbud, "chemweed", cause of the smell and taste. It was kind of a joke. Lol. When the person "Chemdog" received the dogbud/chemweed in Mass. he simply combined the two to make "Chemdog". JJ from Topdawg seeds uses "dawg" (Tresdawg, stardawg etc) out of respect to "Chemdog" the person. I see everywhere seed companies doing Chem crosses and using the spelling Chemdog D or Chemdog 91 or Chemdog sister instead of Chemdog. Just wanted to get the correct info and spelling out there:). Have a great 2015 everyone!

And it's nice to see the famous "dog" is in good hands!!!
 
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happy b

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Just watched the Adam Dunn show that you phoned in on jj . You, chem dogg ,pbud and Aj all in one camp?you guys are going to DOMINATE every breeder out there . They must all be sweating buckets . and you came up with the DAWG . Then to me anyone using that name is trying to ride your coat tails by using it. Otherwise why wouldn't they spell it dog like normal?I get were your coming from though I must be honest ,iv never heard loompa say or try to insinuate his strain is linked to yours in anyway but I defo see your point . I mean loompa has plenty of people who love his gear and would still buy it if it was called.. Under..arms or whatever . quality will out as will crap.
 
phoenixfire

phoenixfire

Chemdog History

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Brief background: This thread was started by H&L and edited by JJ-NYC.

At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘Chemdog’ (now ’91 Chemdog), ‘Chemdog a’ (now Chemdog’s sister), and ‘Chemdog b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and Chemdog ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdog phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'.

In 1992, JJ became friends with the Weasel in central park. Sometime in 1992-93 the Weasel met Chemdog at a Phish show. They traded clones and he brought the Mass. Super Skunk and 91 Chemdog back with him to New York City and renamed the 91 Chem, "Diesel". Sour Diesel and Under Dawg came out of these clones.

Original Chemdog Crosses:
• 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdog in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.
• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdog x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is Hawaiian/RFK Skunk X NL.) or 91 Chemdog X Mass Super Skunk
• Underdawg came from a cross of '91 Chemdog x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

• 'chemdog' and friends made several crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:

1. Super Snowdog (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chemdog D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdog’s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chemdog D x ’93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdog D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)

JJ-NYC has been working on a Chemdog D-based seed line for several years now. He started by crossing Chemdog D to Sensi's Afghani after thoroughly testing both Sensi's Afghani and Sensi's Hindu Kush to determine which was more stable and would be better for the initial cross. JJ then did a backcross, known as "Double Dawg." Several phenos of this circulate and several people still have beans. JJ's latest work to the line is a second backcross known as "Tres Dawg" which is just starting to get tested. The Tres has produced many keeper strains, Tres Dawg(Chemdog D X Afghani #1 BX2), Star Dawg(Chemdog #4 X Tres Dawg), White Dawg(The White X Tres Dawg), and recently a new 91 Chem cross, Original New York City Diesel(91 Chem X Tres Dawg).
very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds.

500$ in 91' fucking ayyyyyyyy!
I want some of the that. @JJ-NYC is there some of that old school fire still or no?
 
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