markscastle
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What`s up there? Seems crazy these days. Russia and almost SF getting hit as a football field size rock nearly hits the earth from a different direction? Do we believe what they are saying? Not!
Science is man`s best guess based on what he sees. It is sometimes just wrong. Take genetic manipulation of food for example. To a scientist it just makes good sense but to the masses it isn`t natural. So then they hide what they are doing and in doing so put themselves above the masses.Science is not a god. It is one aspect of understanding.
It is crazy these days...but the crusades or other wars before our time would have seemed awfully crazy I'd imagine.
Craters are all over this rock we live on...it happens.
I do agree Governments lie mainly to make $ and gain power. But, to think the Gov't has all the answers/knowledge and is lying or holding out on you is a weird way to look at it logically. Sure they spin everything for their interest($,power) but they don't know it all. So, I'd guess they just don't know sometimes and that that could be misconstrued as being lied too if your into conspiracies....
It's a little deeper than that--for instance it's not only what we see, but what the instruments we devise can see--but I will accept your premise in general, and so would any real scientist.
It's also a bit deeper than that because it is cumulative, so it's not just one guess--it's a guess based on another guess that was demonstrated to be correct, and so on and so forth for thousands of years.
The thing about science that I'd most like to point out in this context is the actual word itself. I'd like to compare it briefly to the word 'omniscience'. Omniscience is that which usually is taken to describe the purview of a deity. It is, in a sense, everything that science could EVER offer in perfect form--and then some.
The choice of the word 'science' to describe the process we now know it as was purposeful in the sense that it sought to describe the process as seeking that which a creator would know by definition--but without the presupposition of perfection, which comes along with the prefix omni-.
It is correct to say the science is, thus, not omniscient. The very first definition of the process itself (naming it science) was in direct acquiescence to this fact....
However--as with anything where people do not have expertise, there is significant opportunity for a layman regarding science to misunderstand the limits of science. IE it is quite normal for people to assume that we can't know things which we do--or that we can't demonstrate repeatably things which we can.
And what are the odds that the universe is based on mathematical science and there is order to everything? Science is finding out that order, not making it. God made the universe and the order, we( his children) seek the understanding to use in the physical world we live in. That`s ok I guess but there is also the spiritual world that we also live in, just because you can`t sense it or measure it doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist. But to be more factual some measurement has been done. A study was done once weighing a person at death. At the exact time of death people lose a small amount of weight. It seems the same regardless of the person. This could be the soul. Where there is weight there is mass or energy. Not proof positive but some evidence to ponder. Also there are some scientists who believe in God or a higher being. It doesn`t have to be Science vs. Religion !
Again the odds are pretty dang good--otherwise the little clicky thing you're typing this with called the keyboard wouldn't work, much less the computer you're using, the fiberoptic cables carrying the signal, the servers routing it, etc.And what are the odds that the universe is based on mathematical science and there is order to everything? Science is finding out that order, not making it. God made the universe and the order, we( his children) seek the understanding to use in the physical world we live in. That`s ok I guess but there is also the spiritual world that we also live in, just because you can`t sense it or measure it doesn`t mean it doesn`t exist. But to be more factual some measurement has been done. A study was done once weighing a person at death. At the exact time of death people lose a small amount of weight. It seems the same regardless of the person. This could be the soul. Where there is weight there is mass or energy. Not proof positive but some evidence to ponder. Also there are some scientists who believe in God or a higher being. It doesn`t have to be Science vs. Religion !
Just one more question. What high school electronic courses gave you the knowledge to understand a man's work who had many doctorates and was ahead of industry...?First off this has taken a turn I didn`t intend. What I did intend is to imply that we are not being told the whole truth about occurrences happening in the world. I`m not sure just how much is because the Government's may themselves be un awear or they just don`t want to panic people. It maybe they are unsure themselves if events are related. But we have had an increase in world wide disasters and occurrences that can not be put totally on global warming. People are just going nuts all over! There may well be a reason or reasons this is happening so much but no one is saying why.
It`s not just the weather or the solar and meteor phenomena ,people are killing each other, kids are killing each other and it is getting worse all the time.
You can`t tell me the Government doesn`t lie to people about what they know. And that includes it`s scientists! My Grandfather was director of research and development for the NSA in the 60`s and early 70`s! He held a PH.D in electronic engineering as well as a few other doctorates. All he did was lie or defer about his work. I took some electronics classes in high school and when I saw some of the schematics and blue prints he was working on I can tell you this, They are far ahead of industry! They are still to this day using some of his work for national security and building on what he did back then. Early warning systems,satallite systems, electronic systems in military apps.of all kinds as well as ...I should stop there. Just what little I saw back then is enough to make me disappear in some whole somewhere for ever! It was important stuff, enough at 17 I had to have a top secret clearance just to see my Grandfather at his house! And yes he did much of his work at home. Why not it was a fortress of security and he was a friend of our President. So I may not be a scientist but I know something is up and they are not telling us everything! as for Religion one of our top scientists still working for the NSA is a catholic as am I.