I`m not to sure that everything can`t be explained about the physical world with science and math but I`m pretty sure it won`t work to explain the spiritual world.

I think God talks to us all the time it`s just we don`t listen to him anymore. Remember he isn`t physical except in Christ so he works mostly through us. As for faith I don`t think it`s enough to believe in him, Satin well knows he exists but seems to have know problem with being disobedient. I think God just wants us to love Him.

midwestdensies said:

somethings will never be explained because simply science and math cannot.

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exactly like when u hear bout some 1 having tumors or something cuz the Doc said so, then right b4 treatment they check out the progress of the sickness n Doc's can't find nothing wrong...i hear the Doc's tend to say, i don't know what happened we can't explain it

midwestdensies said:

somethings will never be explained because simply science and math cannot.

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Totally agree with this.

kushsmoker30 said:

exactly like when u hear bout some 1 having tumors or something cuz the Doc said so, then right b4 treatment they check out the progress of the sickness n Doc's can't find nothing wrong...i hear the Doc's tend to say, i don't know what happened we can't explain it

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Fully explicable. They are cells. Cells die sometimes. Other times your body can recognize cells are a threat for a number of different reasons and kill them. Even, go figure, marijuana extract has been shown to do this in peatry dish studies.

Just because we didn't have instruments trained on the person the entire time the cancer was dying doesn't mean it just magically disappeared. The body is a complex thing, it's got more up it's sleeve than we give it credit for.

markscastle said:

I`m not to sure that everything can`t be explained about the physical world with science and math but I`m pretty sure it won`t work to explain the spiritual world.

I think God talks to us all the time it`s just we don`t listen to him anymore. Remember he isn`t physical except in Christ so he works mostly through us. As for faith I don`t think it`s enough to believe in him, Satin well knows he exists but seems to have know problem with being disobedient. I think God just wants us to love Him.

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No need to say "pretty sure" here. It WON'T explain the spiritual world because it doesn't give a crap about it, or even give credence to its existence.

As far as the God talking/us not listening argument: That's just a fancy way of saying, "I can't explain why God made himself known to Abraham, Moses, Noah, Saul, and many others--but won't do it for regular people today. I also can't explain why its fair that in a faith-based religion that some humans didn't need to rely on faith to be saved."

Some people got to meet with Jesus face to face. The disciples saw him resurrected. No matter what you say, there is unfairness there. What makes the disciples more important than me. Why does god love them more than me, that he would challenge me to accept his existence on faith alone (knowing full well that I never will as an omniscient being) and them doom me to hell for failing to do it? Why should they have the benefit of meeting with the flesh of the creator, or having miraculous signs done before them with the voice of GOD speaking to them?

Why am I not that special?

There are two ways to look at this:

God loves some people more than others--and for some reason most such people lived in nearly pre-historic time periods.

OR

God was made up by the people who claimed to have been visited by him.

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Or the bible is fake.


Like I said I wanna be clear. You are welcome to your religious beliefs, just understand that religion doesn't have anything to do with science under a scientific conception.

In a religious conception it may very well be the case that religion matters very much to science--but the fact is that a person doing science is never allowed to care about religion during the analytical portion of their work. We, as scientists, cannot draw conclusions about religious things and are not allowed to include them in our analyses.

So while you might think it's all connected or what-have-you, that isn't even going to change the discrete meaning of what science is inasmuch as it is tethered to this reality (the one we can make scientific determinations about).

It maybe that your logical way of thinking is interfering with your ability to perceive in a spiritual sense. Just the way science has no feeling. At any rate I feel sorry for your loss and see you really do want reason to believe in God, you just can`t in that mind-set. All I can do for you is pray for you that your eyes are opened. Blessings, prayers and good will go out to you!

midwestdensies said:

somethings will never be explained because simply science and math cannot.

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I think math can explain everything, but humans are incapable of understanding math on Gods level. I actually think that all of this is just one really complex equation.

Capulator said:

I think math can explain everything, but humans are incapable of understanding math on Gods level. I actually think that all of this is just one really complex equation.

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Interesting view. I can dig especially since math makes no sense to me but it is wild. Sequences, crystals (which make up everything thc included..) and equations i cant fathom.

One thing I think we can all agree on , none of us are getting out of this alive! So we will see just what if anything is on the other side.

markscastle said:

One thing I think we can all agree on , none of us are getting out of this alive! So we will see just what if anything is on the other side.

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To me....What we call death, is just a different frequency of life.

Capulator said:

I think math can explain everything, but humans are incapable of understanding math on Gods level. I actually think that all of this is just one really complex equation.

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This is precisely the way that I, as a scientist, view this--excepting that I don't presuppose the existence of god. What I believe is that if there IS a god, this is a sufficient explanation which can connect the two seemingly [but not actually] disparate ideas of science and religion.

I can almost confidently go a step further and say that it certainly IS a very complex equation playing itself out--there's nothing about that statement which suggests a knowledge of the hows or whys. It's become clear by now that equations are capable of describing the real world (some more precisely than others).

The only thing which could sensibly replace these equations would be a superior equation. Such an equation might be quite far outside of our scope of understanding, but it doesn't mean that things don't follow rules/organization--which is the only requirement to describe them with an equation.

Can god change the equation or how it works? Maybe, but I think that ultimately things are a certain way. Science can't tell us much else on this deep level except to suggest that, yes, in fact things are a certain way. We don't necessarily know the entirety of what that way is, but it makes no sense to say that things are not a certain way.
There is every reasonable reason to believe that scientists ultimately don't know what the fuck they are talking about in the grand scheme of things--but there is conversely almost no way to suggest that they don't know what's going on in the more discrete, localized, examples of our understanding.

If we didn't know these types of things on a smaller scale, it would be useless to share information about nute schedules/application levels/etc. It would make things like the effects of your tea, Cap, totally unquantifiable. It would make this forum, and indeed the entirety of the internet (and all computers) totally impossible.

Science is sort of a special way that us nerds can bet you guys we can get a particular event to occur the same way predictably every single time. Science is about finding things about the natural world that we can present in this way.

The rest of it is up in the air, to be frank. No one really knows--and science certainly has never tried to (except perhaps in very early incarnations).

We are living and dieing at the same time.
One is not seperate from the other.
Ones lives complete picture,involves dieing.
It's not just the living,thats all of life,it's dieing as well.
religion and science,exist together.
All is important,in our lives,that we try to improve ourselves,daily,so that when we die,we will be happy,and others will be happy with us.
Anything that ever lived,has never left this earth;the energy(spirit)goes on,to help the whole system keep going.
There will only ever be one "me",with a name,a view,a life,a death.
But there will always be spirit(energy),to create others,of similar traits.
This I call,omni presence.
As long as there is space(emptiness,unsubstantialness,dark force)then there is life
(fullness,substantialness,light force)to fill it in.
When we are taught to seperate things,we find it hard to see the whole,as one.
The differences,make one whole.

I still say the sky is falling!