Colorado Division Of Insurance Announces Significant Changes To The Individual Market

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It's insane I have to have insurance when I don't even use it. And must pay fine for not having it that's where they went wrong!
The major issue with the ACA is the removal of medical underwriting. This means that insurance companies have to allow everyone in the front door. Healthy individuals used to enjoy lower insurance rates that mirrored their low utilization. Unhealthy individuals had to pay more. A valid argument is that some folks don't choose to be unhealthy, so why should they get penalized for being sick or having certain health conditions? The answer is: they shouldn't be penalized. Thus, no underwriting, which creates adverse risk and removes the ability to pool claims. Like employer sponsored health plans, they also do not have medical underwriting, but they break even because the rate of participation is significantly higher that in the private sector. If insurance companies can't deny coverage, then everyone has to carry said coverage, or else it won't work and we end up with this bullshit, the opposite of what is needed. I think it's important to note that our healthcare system is incredibly complex, and it's foolish to think that true reform could come via legislation. I don't claim to have the answer.

The only way the ACA can possibly be a viable option is if everyone has coverage. Everyone won't have coverage, it's obvious reading this thread that the industry is in turmoil and that a sizeable portion of our country's population will choose to go without insurance. Again, the ACA solved the access issue, but does nothing to address cost. The problem is that solving the problem of high costs is that it affects every part of the healthcare delivery system, and is laughably implausible to reform every component with a single bill. Tort reform, defensive medicine, malpractice insurance, low reimbursements, none of this can be resolved through legislation, in my opinion.

A comparison can be made if we look at your (anyone) auto insurance. How often do you use your auto insurance? Everyone is required to carry insurance and there are monetary penalties for going without. One reason why auto insurance rates are more controlled is because the risk is spread over a wide footprint. The same can't be said for health insurance.
And how the hell do they make it so Medicaid pays less then someone paying out of pocket or with united healthcare??? Medicare should be paying what everyone else pays:smoking:
I agree with you GG.

Do you know who decides what Medicare pays?

This is over a year old but still valid: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2015/01/medicaid-payment-rates-going-theres-nothing-doctors-can.html - I will note that this is from a provider standpoint.

"Medicaid is a federal program for the very poor implemented by grants to states, which do the administration. Medicaid typically pays doctors about 60 percent of what Medicare pays. In Florida, a typical primary care visit might pay the doctor $32. In Alabama, doctors who agree to be the primary care physicians of record for Medicaid patients get a whopping $2.60 per beneficiary per month, a fee with which the doctor has to maintain 24 hour office availability and use EMR.


Under federal law, Medicaid rates must be “sufficient to enlist enough providers” so that beneficiaries have at least as much access to care as the general population in their geographic area (the equal access requirement). Whatever that means. But the Obama administration told the Supreme Court that health care providers had no legal right to enforce the equal access requirement in court. This section of the Medicaid law provides guidance to federal and state officials in setting Medicaid rates, but does not allow health care providers to sue state officials to enforce it. This was in response to the latest attempt to sue the government to enforce this law, Armstrong v. Exceptional Child Center, Inc. (The Exceptional Child Center, in Idaho, provides residential rehab for children with disabilities.)

As most of you know, the ACA expanded Medicaid coverage, or at least offered expanded Medicaid coverage, to the states. 9.7 million people have been added to the Medicaid rolls since October 2013, bringing the total to 68.5 million. More than one-fifth of Americans are now covered by Medicaid. So, in order to entice physicians and nurse practitioners to accept all these new, often complicated patients, the government hiked up the reimbursement rates for Medicaid patients.

For the last two years, the federal government has required state Medicaid agencies to pay at least as much as Medicare pays for primary care services. But only for two years. In 2015, the reimbursement rates go back to 2012 levels. $2.60 per patient per month, in the case of Alabama. A rate that providers can’t challenge in federal court.


Where’s the clause that says doctors get to have equal access to enough money to feed their children?"
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This is what pisses people off. Those poor fucking doctors, how will they make their mercedes payment? Unfortunately the ACA will cause a shortage of primary care docs, as they have to same problems with student loan debt that others do, and malpractice insurance is ridiculously expensive for lots of reasons. Why would a young person want to go to school to be a doctor, knowing the costs associated with that education, as well as the expense of running a practice in this climate?
 
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. Why would a young person want to go to school to be a doctor, knowing the costs associated with that education, as well as the expense of running a practice in this climate

The Desire to make the world a better place and to help others regardless of profit....
Our farm gal friend is at Bastiers univ. The top naturopathic college in nation.
She is so awesome. Her goal is to start her practice in Colorado and do home visits.
Her heart is in it. Her goal is to help people not about making Mercedes or fancy house payments.
She is one in a zillion as is her BF, these are super kids..
So much love we have for each other.
A friend of theirs was in wonder. Wondering why they love to hang with us old folks.
They told him come for dinner, now he is in the circle and close to 50 years separates us but we are bonded better than any blood relatives we have...
Just like you LLG so much love... am in tears of joy with folks like yourself and them in our lives ...
 
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The Desire to make the world a better place and to help others regardless of profit....
Our farm gal friend is at Bastiers univ. The top naturopathic college in nation.
She is so awesome. Her goal is to start her practice in Colorado and do home visits.
Her heart is in it. Her goal is to help people not about making Mercedes or fancy house payments.
She is one in a zillion as is her BF, these are super kids..
So much love we have for each other.
A friend of theirs was in wonder. Wondering why they love to hang with us old folks.
They told him come for dinner, now he is in the circle and close to 50 years separates us but we are bonded better than any blood relatives we have...
Just like you LLG so much love... am in tears of joy with folks like yourself and them in our lives ...
It is unfortunate that she is the exception and not the rule.
 
xavier7995

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Dudes will still become doctors for the chicks. If Halloween has taught me anything, there is a plethora of slutty nurses out there just ripe for the taking and well...the workplace is a rather happening spot for hookups.
 
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Dudes will still become doctors for the chicks. If Halloween has taught me anything, there is a plethora of slutty nurses out there just ripe for the taking and well...the workplace is a rather happening spot for hookups.
Go on
 
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DEATH PANELS FOR ALL!

I'd like to note that our congress critters are above obamacare and they have their own plan, they don't get to enjoy what the rest of us do. That's nice.

I see that quote in comments in several places but I don't see the source.

(@GrowGod that's 253. Getting better.)
 
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Don't worry everyone, it's all good*.

The truth about those rising health insurance premiums

(*in this context, good also means 'it's a shit show and we are fucked.')

(CNN)On November 1, the Affordable Care Act health insurance marketplaces will open for their fourth open enrollment period. On Monday, Healthcare.gov, the federal marketplace serving 39 states, pulled back the curtains to allow consumers to window shop for 2017 plans.

As it did so, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued a report analyzing the premiums consumers will have to pay for 2017 marketplace coverage and the coverage choices they will have available.
The HHS report documents what has already been widely reported -- that after two years of moderate premium increases (2% for 2015 and 7.5% for 2016) premiums are going up sharply for 2017. Across the 39 states using the HealthCare.gov platform, the median second-lowest cost silver plan, which sets the benchmark for premium tax credits, will increase 16%, while the average increase looking only at states on the federal exchange is 25%.

Opinion columnists and politicians will undoubtedly seize on the report as further evidence that the Affordable Care Act is a failure. But a deeper dig reveals a different story.
First, while these increases are eye-catching, insurers generally underpriced their plans when the marketplaces opened in 2014, and the current increases simply bring the premiums up to the level predicted when Congress debated the Affordable Care Act in 2009.
According to the report, Congressional Budget Office projections from 2009 suggested average 2017 premiums of $5,538; HHS is projecting average premiums of $5,586. Indeed, premiums in many states are still below the cost of employer coverage.

Second, premium increases vary sharply from state to state. While in seven states premiums are increasing more than 50%, in 10 states premium increases are 7% or less. Meanwhile, some of the states with the largest premium increases had the lowest premiums to begin with. And there is something states can do to lower their premium increases -- all of the states with increases at 7% or below have expanded Medicaid, while four of the states with the highest premium increases have not yet done so.

Third, the report notes that most marketplace enrollees -- likely about 85% -- will receive premium tax credits that will substantially reduce their premiums. Almost three quarters of marketplace enrollees will be able to find a plan for $75 per month or less after the application of premium tax credits. The cost of plans for many people with premium tax credits will be virtually identical to last year's cost.
Of course, individuals who are not eligible for premium tax credits because their income is too high, and consumers who purchase coverage outside of the marketplaces, will have to bear the full weight of the premium increases. But as many as 2.5 million consumers purchasing coverage outside of the marketplaces would in fact be eligible for premium tax credits if they would purchase through the marketplaces. Many others qualify for tax subsidies for their health coverage because they are self-employed.

Fourth, it pays to shop. Seventy-six percent of marketplace enrollees can find a lower-cost plan in the 2017 marketplace than their 2016 plan in the same metal level by marketplace shopping. If all returning consumers chose the lowest-cost plan available in their current metal level, average premiums would fall $28 or 20% from 2016 premium levels, taking premium tax credits into account.

Fifth, as has been widely reported, there will be fewer insurers in the marketplaces this year. But 79% of consumers in HealthCare.gov states will still have a choice of two or more insurers and 56% three or more.

Finally, lack of choice of insurers does not mean lack of health plan choice. South Carolina has only one insurer left, but it offers on average per county 25 plans. Wyoming's one insurer offers on average 28 plans. On average, consumers in HealthCare.gov states can choose from 30 different plans (down from 47 in 2016), an average of 10 plans per insurer. By contrast, 83% of employers offer only one type of plan, and many employers offer only one plan with one insurer.
The marketplaces are indeed experiencing a rough spell. But they continue to offer affordable health coverage to millions of Americans, many of whom would simply have been unable to find any coverage before the Affordable Care Act because of their health or economic status. Beyond the headlines, the HHS report documents that, in fact, the marketplaces are doing their job.
 
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Dudes will still become doctors for the chicks. If Halloween has taught me anything, there is a plethora of slutty nurses out there just ripe for the taking and well...the workplace is a rather happening spot for hookups.
this is the best post I've seen all month ...and i read the Bulgarian threads. Honestly is have your babies just because of this post
 
LocalGrowGuy

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this is the best post I've seen all month ...and i read the Bulgarian threads. Honestly is have your babies just because of this post
Do you mean Knuckle Children? I've got extra if you want some or I can whip up a fresh batch for you.
 
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So...Wtf is their replacement idea? The only thing I have seen was a speech where HSA's were mentioned. Enjoy the non-insurance dudes, those accounts are going dry with a broken bone unless they force medical costs down.
 
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The back peddling has already begun on ending ACA/Obamacare...and this is just the start.

all in all it's just another brick in the imaginary wall...
 
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So...Wtf is their replacement idea? The only thing I have seen was a speech where HSA's were mentioned. Enjoy the non-insurance dudes, those accounts are going dry with a broken bone unless they force medical costs down.
Trump is a fan of high deductible health plans and HSA plans. I don't think repeal and replace are accurate words for what will happen.

I believe that we will continue to see no medical underwriting, which is good. I'm not sure what portions of our economy will be changed or modified to affect replacement but I assume the large carrier mergers will go through. Hopefully they allow more small businesses easier access to employer based health insurance. I also believe that the penalty should be significant enough to deter people from going uninsured. The only way our 'no underwriting' model under the ACA will ever work long term is if everyone participates, especially those who are young and healthy, who are the ones not enrolling right now. Utilization is much higher right now due to those who need care are always the first to apply. Unless and until the penalty is enough to deter going without coverage, costs will continue to rise.

Those who choose to go uninsured will use the ER much more often, and ER visits cost ten times what the same procedure would cost in an office visit non ER setting.

It should be noted that it will be impossible to reform a fifth of our economy, just like the ACA didn't do much to address the rising costs of health care.

I figured more youngsters would turn out and vote for A69.
 
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'I also believe that the penalty should be significant enough to deter people from going uninsured.'

Socialism at its finest
 
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mendel he sips the tit' of uncle thug ie: pension, medical all payed for when he's done .....and his heavy regulations and rules, taxes... does not care about the juice payments the cities / states are making on pension bail-in's every year as more taxes are jacked up for all this crap. our city is crying for higher taxes or the poor teachers will get fired. but the city insiders at the local pubs spill the beans about the nasty pension issues in our city of 45,000. he works for them ...

nothing but another tax upon the unwashed. he's blinded by the graft

Obamacare cartoon
 
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Washington (CNN)Donald Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway says the President-elect is considering calling a "special session" of Congress on the day he's sworn in to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/kellyanne-conway-trump-special-session-congress/

:smoking:

With help from Republican lawmakers, Donald Trump as president will follow through on his campaign promise to get rid of Obamacare, Sen. John Barrasso, an orthopedic surgeon for 24 years, told CNBC on Tuesday. Barrasso, the fourth-ranking member in the Senate GOP leadership. "Don't get fixated on some of this phraseology. Obamacare is over. We promised to repeal and replace it. And that's what we're going to do," the Wyoming senator said in a "Squawk Box" interview.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/15/forg...-over-under-trump-sen-john-barrasso-says.html
 
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I am all for getting rid of obamacare, however I don't think anyone should receive care without prepayment. Sick of the forced socialism of people showing up at the ER and being unable to foot the bill. That gets passed right onto the rest of us, you think walking on your bill just makes it go away or what. I viewed the ACA as a way to get people to stop sucking at the collective tit and actually take responsibility for their own lives.
 
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