all it takes is like minded people to get together and start discussing then next thing more people will join into same line of thought what we are doing rite here is the beginning the more people we get to see what we are talking about the more will fall in our line of thought theres alot we can do 1st and foremost is to start a political party and i've been thinking about it more and more so here on THC FARMER I WILL DEBUT THIS POLITICAL PARTY AND WE SHALL NAME THIS PARTY THE AMERICAN MARIJUANA PARTY OR AMP FOR SHORT in this party our platforms will be health-care repeals, tax reductions,federal government reduction [less government in everyday lives],medical marijuana ,STATES RIGHTS, true transparency, federal decriminalization of cannabis[no longer prosecuteable],prosecution of rogue DEA/ATF/FBI agents ,also i believe we already have a political powerhouse to be our face and that would be DR.RON PAUL

do you think american Marijuana party might scare off some?

No i think it will embolden the scared vindicate the scorned and amp the masses if obama can be prez we can have a.m.p.

Can we can it the North American Marijuana party.. I'm from Canada and will join up with you guys anyday.. I'll never do what THEY say.. I'll never believe what THEY say either.. one love my bros

I'm all for radical transformation but adding another political party to the broken political system is like treating a heroin overdose with methamphetamine. . . Just compounding the problem really. It would be co-opted by bug money faster than you can say screwed the pooch.

yes there is that possibility but if we had ron paul as our face and his brother RAND coming up with our policy i mean it would be an honest approach at true reform these guys are 110%liberatarion and with a third we would be a fourth political party and probly the strongest her is what the political landscape looks like as of now
20% democrat
20% republican
60% independent
and that is where we all ready have a holed

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I would think the Pink Mist is from an exit wound not a close hand gun shot..
Plus the people in front would have freaked out with someone shooting a gun in their face.

Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son, not brother. I liked Ron during the last election UNTIL he dropped out when his support was really gaining momentum. I saw that as him fulfilling his role as an actor, just another Freemason candidate thrown as a bone to the libertarian crowd. It's true, Ron Paul is a freemason and a dead-end. Nothing personal 420 i'm not trying to bust your balls here but I am telling you the system IS the problem, it's gotta go. No more perpetuating the same back and forth politics, it's gone on for too long. The Tea Party is total BS it's like the new version of false hope like Ron Paul was last time.

Agreed ^^^^ System = broken as fuck

I posted this on another thread but figure it belongs here too. It is proof we are enslaved just because our Gov Issued ID's say our name in all capital letters

[Capitis Diminutio (meaning the diminishing of status through the use of capitalization) In Roman law. A diminishing or abridgment of personality; a loss or curtailment of a man's status or aggregate of legal attributes and qualifications.

Capitis Diminutio Minima (meaning a minimum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John Doe) - The lowest or least comprehensive degree of loss of status. This occurred where a man's family relations alone were changed. It happened upon the arrogation [pride] of a person who had been his own master, (sui juris,) [of his own right, not under any legal disability] or upon the emancipation of one who had been under the patria potestas. [Parental authority] It left the rights of liberty and citizenship unaltered. See Inst. 1, 16, pr.; 1, 2, 3; Dig. 4, 5, 11; Mackeld. Rom.Law, 144Capitis Diminutio Media (meaning a medium loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John DOE) - A lessor or medium loss of status. This occurred where a man loses his rights of citizenship, but without losing his liberty. It carried away also the family rights.

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.


Diminutio. Lat. In civil law. Diminution; a taking away; loss or depravation.

Capite. - Lat. By the head.

As Black's Law Dictionary explains, the full capitalization of the letters of one's natural name, results in a diminishing or complete loss of legal or citizenship status, wherein one actually becomes a slave or an item of inventory. The method by which the State causes a natural person to "volunteer" himself into slavery, is through forming legal joinder, implied or stated, with the entity or legal fiction (name all CAPS). Of course, most natural persons wouldn't willingly form such an unlawful but legally reductionist joinder, so trickery and obfuscation are used. The initial joinder is formed when a legal Birth Certificate is issued by the State, name in all CAPS. In fact, both the Certificate of Birth AND Social Security number, are for "inventory" control purposes, similar to the Amistad Schooner's manifest or those numbers or records used by legal entities or Corporations to track, account for, use and dispose of inventory. It is under the Admiralty jurisdiction Terri Schiavo's fate was determined, and under this alien fictional jurisdiction many of today's legal or other fictional entities such as "gay marriages" are fabricated. Commensurate with color of law, they appear to "be," but they are not. Indeed, under common law and the American Constitution, "gay marriage" is unlawful and an oxymoron (contradiction). This, no legal maneuver can change.

Whereas one may have legal recourse in a Corporate or Admiralty Court, no lawful or moral remedy will be found. Administrative directives of the legal tribunal or Admiralty jurisdiction, while having the color or appearance of law, may be legal but are in fact unlawful due to the nature or status of the Court's origin, which is predicated upon fiction. Admiralty Courts are in effect vastly inferior to the intentions and authority of those who founded the American Constitutional Republic. When searching America today, one would be hard pressed to locate an authentic Constitutional or Common law Court. This unlawful condition prevails in both Canada and the United States. A serious breech of Constitutional fidelity surfaced recently, when it was discovered Judges in Oregon were not properly sworn to uphold the Oregon Constitution and therefore were acting without Constitutional authority. The Courts and Judges in question, therefore, represent an alien power or entity.

We are merely slaves, so yeh the systems gotta go

1. The income tax applies only to fictional entities called persons.
2. There is absolutely no government act, statute or law to which any free will human in Canada, or in the USA, is subject.
3. A free will human can enter into a contract of servitude with the de facto Government of Canada, or with a Province, or with the de facto Crown in right to either of the above, or with a State[USA], only voluntarily and only with full and open knowledge of their change of status to that of plantation slave.
4. The fraudulent tricking of people, through their ignorance, into the status of "plantation slave" by their using a name created and owned by the Crown or State is an act of treason, by government, upon the sovereign people. That Crown or State owned name is the Birth certificate name.
5. The 'legal fiction name', AKA: 'person/taxpayer', has only the function of an 'agent in commerce' and 'trustee in trust' for the free will adult human to which it is associated.

And for Canada specifically:
6. The British Monarchy ceased to have any relevance to Canada in 1901, upon the death of Queen Victoria. All British Monarchs have been pretender Monarchs of Canada since that date.
7. The Parliament of Canada is a de facto usurper of governing power over Canada since 1931, and in reality, since 1901.

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Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son, not brother. I liked Ron during the last election UNTIL he dropped out when his support was really gaining momentum. I saw that as him fulfilling his role as an actor, just another Freemason candidate thrown as a bone to the libertarian crowd. It's true, Ron Paul is a freemason and a dead-end. Nothing personal 420 i'm not trying to bust your balls here but I am telling you the system IS the problem, it's gotta go. No more perpetuating the same back and forth politics, it's gone on for too long. The Tea Party is total BS it's like the new version of false hope like Ron Paul was last time.

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that was my typo i apologize///i agree the system is broken and we the people have to fix it but we cant have total anarchy until someone gets off thre ass cause chances are at that point they would be more of a war lord type politico//we have to have a true liberatarion movement not convuluted by the mainstream politico engines so we have to start with some one who knows what there doing and these 2 guys would be a great start ///do any of you have any other opinions on how to help fix the broken down and crum,bling system of ours i hope so cause i only see me and torturekills ops on what to do to combat this issue:spacecraft:

I like this post by some random dude..

Whether it's legal or not is beside the point. It should be obvious to all by the way that the constitution is ignored that the law means nothing to the PTB. What matters if whether or not they can get away with it. If they've got you chained to a whipping post and picking cotton all day in rags, then they can't very well deny that you're a slave. But if they've got you on a treadmill designed to siphon off as much of your labor as possible while still keeping you running, and then limit your alternatives with a billion rules and regulations, having denied you the knowledge of real alternatives through gov school indoctrination, then you are effectively a slave, even if a voluntary one.

your a tax-slave ///your social security number is actually a stock number as well they hedge on us no bullshit

When the parents or parent has a child in a hospital, the nurses bring you a REGISTRATION OF LIVE BIRTH/registrar. The mother fills it out. The mother and or father name the child.
This is or was the lawful Christian name or surname & given name.
The State or Province take that name & capitalize it. If the state or province is in debt, the name is entirely capitalized, if the state or province is not then just the last name is capitalized.
Parents name the child: John, Doe.

Gov't copies the name: DOE, John. (Non bankrupt gov't).
Gov't copies the name: DOE, JOHN. (bankrupt gov't).

john = bathroom, doe = female deer.
John, Doe = words capitalized on by parents to create a label or name. Freeman-on-the-land.

DOE, John = Officer or agent of the Gov't who recieved the benefit of citizenSHIP. Maritime Admiralty law. You now reside on the corporateship. RESIDENT. PASSPORT, passing from the port to another ship. PORT AUTHORITIES anyone?

DOE, JOHN or JOHN DOE = slave, no more God given rights just priviledges granted & taken away by the gov't which requires licences & permission to do anything.

The gov't takes the birth certificate and deposits it in its TREASURY, and then takes out a BOND based on future taxes that can be collected. This allows the bankrupt gov't to borrow money from the IMF, international monetary fund.

The freeborn child is sold into slavery UNKNOWINGLY by its parents in exchange for benefits like child tax credit, welfare, free health care, school, etc. There are ROMAN MAXIMS of LAW that state he who accepts the benefit must bare its burden.
The freeborn child has the right to contract out of this when they turn the AGE of MAJORITY usually 18 but 14 in some countries. (People used to only live to 35yrs, there was no such thing as a teenager, boy then man).
So the sneaky gov't gets you to voluntarily fill out a social security/social insurance form to get an EMPLOYEE number for the IRS/CRA.
You need this number to access benefits like unemployment insurance or student loans.
You become an employee of the IMF/federal gov't which is slave to its lender. (National debt).
All birth certificates are written on EXCHEQUECHER bank note paper owned by the CROWN. Even Americans. The corporation of the United States is registered at the Inner City of London England a Roman Enclave of the Vatican.
Canada & Australia are registered on the United States Security & Exchange

so whats the first step, stop paying taxes? I dont think a political party would work out. when you think about how corrupt the who world of politics is. I really believe its going to take the majority of the population to all put there foot down at once, and possibly a major riot to be heard. It may sound cliche, but not far off to Storm the White house..

to get ahead you go into debt and move on to next scam that is what all the richy riches do for instance the 2nd a rich persons mortgage becomes more then what house is they stop paying and live there until its short sold[for free]then they do it again//where john q public hard working men and women who make up the majority of america will go down with the ship//savings banks and mutual funds are a suckers move///start buying gold and silver to hold and to trade on open market silver is at 25 buks an ounce gold is 1,350 an ounce those are the safest and smartest bets also stop buying stocks and instead just invest on production end petroleum and green products///there on the verge of true riots and civil wars all through out europe torture we gotta get up and work this out brotha

You mentioned warlords, I thought that was interesting because it's probably what we're going to get. I might welcome a military coup, conducted by the navy possibly or the air force because some of the old school generals still around would probably whip this country into shape real damn quick, and with humanity toward the people unlike what politicians are showing now.

In the long run, I think a supreme ruler, but an enlightened one is in order, people need to be ruled unless some magic rays of light from outer space activate their DNA and they all become self-capable evolved humans. As it is, we are a race of sheep who cannot handle thinking or doing for ourselves, we need to be led. Problem is there have been no great men or women standing up and if they do they are killed. Look at what happened to Patton ! The world would be a much better place if he came back from WW2 and won the presidency.

fractal said:

You mentioned warlords, I thought that was interesting because it's probably what we're going to get. I might welcome a military coup, conducted by the navy possibly or the air force because some of the old school generals still around would probably whip this country into shape real damn quick, and with humanity toward the people unlike what politicians are showing now.

In the long run, I think a return to Kings / Queens or something is in order, people need to be ruled unless some magic rays of light from outer space activate their DNA and they all become self-capable evolved humans. As it is, we are a race of sheep who cannot handle thinking or doing for ourselves, we need to be led. Problem is there have been no great men or women standing up and if they do they are killed. Look at what happened to Patton ! The world would be a much better place if he came back from WW2 and won the presidency.

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That was the worst idea yet man.. kings and queens?? We still are ruled by them!!! All the presidents are related to them through blood so that idea is totally crap man, no offense. I agree some people need to be led because they just dont have the intelligence to do otherwise, but that doesnt mean they cant learn. Our systems are ment to hold us down with supression, its no wonder there are so many fuck ups in our world but they are not to blame.. the supressors are. People dont realize how much of an illusion what they think a "normal" life is.. A normal life = school,work,get married, have kids, work for rest of life.. that is anything BUT normal. I for one, do not need ruling.. anyone who thinks they have power over me has another thing comming. All you have to do to live free is educate yourself to do so, its really not that hard.. They have their law society, ill stick with my freeman's society.
Cheers boys, no hard feelings fractal.. I just dont think you realize how bad were already run by kings and queens from the shadow already..

fractal when i said warlords i ment that could happen if the govt fell and local land owners started employing private militias made up of men on there land//thats why we have to have a plan in place in case anarchy broke out i believe that is our responsibility to make sure that if the republic falls we are able to prop it back up with natures law and and commonsense laws as well govt needs not to be in everyday private affairs like they are now how about obama and the politico machine are starting to spit out terror alerts all of a sudden [rite around election time] so please farmers we mite be witness to another govt false flag terror opp ///guys we need to stand up and form a true liberatarion movement based on the constitution and the bill of rights///THE ANSWER TO 1984 IS 1776 plain and simple

Ok I'm gonna go back and revise that last post I meant more like Ruler not kings and queens because I realized that goes along with the whole ruling bloodline thing.

But seriously people are all idiots and need to be lead. Having a president might not be so bad, IF THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO DO ANYTHING THEMSELVES. Right now they're just puppets, exactly like a ventriloquist's dummy. Just talking heads representing an agenda. People need a true benevolent ruler, a warrior poet an enlightened man or woman. And "democracy" is simply mob rule, we can do way better than that.