Defender DXB 100 (Innovation Solutions) For Pm

[Timv]

Does anybody have any experience on using innovation solutions Pro guard the model is defended DXB 100. I was recommended the system to help get rid of PM.

 

[Grownsince95]

No experience with it but unless you've got a $1000 to burn you could try some alternatives. How many grows is it going to take to break even on that investment?

PM is about cool humid nights and hot dry days. Eliminate one of those first and you're halfway there.

I'm experimenting right now with a 20 minute blast of uvB in the dark before the lights turn on. So my "day" is technically 12 hr 20 min long. During lights on they get a few more short blasts around midday.

I read a study that PM is more susceptible to treatment during the dark with uvB exposure so I'm giving it a shot. I already had the light so I figured why not.

If you're stuck growing in a dank ass basement, there are other things you can try first but if you have the $$$ I'm sure we'd all love to see the results

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

No experience with it but unless you've got a $1000 to burn you could try some alternatives. How many grows is it going to take to break even on that investment?

PM is about cool humid nights and hot dry days. Eliminate one of those first and you're halfway there.

I'm experimenting right now with a 20 minute blast of uvB in the dark before the lights turn on. So my "day" is technically 12 hr 20 min long. During lights on they get a few more short blasts around midday.

I read a study that PM is more susceptible to treatment during the dark with uvB exposure so I'm giving it a shot. I already had the light so I figured why not.

If you're stuck growing in a dank ass basement, there are other things you can try first but if you have the $$$ I'm sure we'd all love to see the results

Hopefully your UVB experiments are as a preventative and that you don't actually have a wpm issue. Those suck indoors ...outdoors too, but especially indoors.

What UVB light are you using? I ran a few runs with the California Lightworks UVB fixture and didn't feel it really did much to improve resin production. Since then, those lights (I have 2) have been sitting on the shelf. What has your experience been with UVB lighting?

 

[Grownsince95]

Hopefully your UVB experiments are as a preventative and that you don't actually have a wpm issue. Those suck indoors ...outdoors too, but especially indoors.

What UVB light are you using? I ran a few runs with the California Lightworks UVB fixture and didn't feel it really did much to improve resin production. Since then, those lights (I have 2) have been sitting on the shelf. What has your experience been with UVB lighting?

Same light. How did you run yours?

The "instructions" given are not how cannabis works and they have to be exposed to it during veg to see the effect once the plants flip to flower. Using it the last few weeks is a total waste of time. Cannabis builds up its uv response gradually as it grows based on its environment. If it "reads" high UV in veg it will respond with the appropriate amount of trichomes in flower. I got gung ho and completely fried a tent being lazy. These lights are no joke despite their small size and appearance.

I claim no expert knowledge on how to use them but I'm working through it. Hopefully my diary can shed some light on their effectiveness.

And YES, it's a totally preventative measure

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

Same light. How did you run yours?

The "instructions" given are not how cannabis works and they have to be exposed to it during veg to see the effect once the plants flip to flower. Using it the last few weeks is a total waste of time. Cannabis builds up its uv response gradually as it grows based on its environment. If it "reads" high UV in veg it will respond with the appropriate amount of trichomes in flower. I got gung ho and completely fried a tent being lazy. These lights are no joke despite their small size and appearance.

I claim no expert knowledge on how to use them but I'm working through it. Hopefully my diary can shed some light of their effectiveness.

I ran it starting mid flower and for only a short time at first like 1/2 hr and then about every week I would increase it so by the end of the grow, the exposure time was several hours. I would run the light during the lights on part of the light cycle.

From what I'm reading in your post, you ran yours like I do my reds in my attempts to replicate the Emerson effect. I found that blues, deep reds, and far reds can make dramatic impacts on the morphology of the plant.

 

[Grownsince95]

In my head the Uv response needs to be "programmed" into the plant from as early on as possible. Trying to find scientific evidence of this has been more difficult.

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

In my head the Uv response needs to be "programmed" into the plant from as early on as possible. Trying to find scientific evidence of this has been more difficult.

I can run all sorts of different configuration of light timings thanks to smart outlets lol. I might have to add it to my collection of add on lighting. Here's a picture of what I mean ... I also run with AC Infinity Ion Beams for side-lighting. It makes a huge difference.

This just shows all the lights. Since then, I've added another set of both the blues and the deep reds. 730 reds come on before lights on and then go off once the main lights come on. They come on again at lights off and run for an additional 30 minutes. My actual light cycle is 13 hrs combined.

 

[Grownsince95]

I can run all sorts of different configuration of light timings thanks to smart outlets lol. I might have to add it to my collection of add on lighting. Here's a picture of what I mean ... I also run with AC Infinity Ion Beams for side-lighting. It makes a huge difference.

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This just shows all the lights. Since then, I've added another set of both the blues and the deep reds. 730 reds come on before lights on and then go off once the main lights come on. They come on again at lights off and run for an additional 30 minutes. My actual light cycle is 13 hrs combined.

This is the kind of thing I'm here for. Real people trying real shit!

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

This is the kind of thing I'm here for. Real people trying real shit!

Anyway, back to WPM ... I've read that people are using UVC with varying degrees of success. UVC is probably what this "Defender DXB 100" is based on. While its well known that UVC will kill microbial infections, it will also damage plant tissue. I've not seen any studies that focus on plant tissue damage. Only that UVC is considered antimicrobial shortwave radiation with the focus of the studies on microbial pest control.

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

@Timv

I looked up this $1200 Defender DXB 100. It's a glorified air purifier marketed to the cannabis industry. This can do everything the $1200 unit can and at a price you're more likely to afford.

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However, if the grow were mine, I'd put my time and effort into correcting the environment that allows for WPM to thrive. If its been a problem, spray down the whole grow area with 72% rubbing alcohol. This should be done between every indoor grow anyway out of good sanitation practices.

Edit: don't spray alcohol around live plants. If plants are infected, spores will still be shed. The easiest thing to do is cull the plants, spray the grow area with alcohol and cut your losses.

 

[Timv]

@Timv

I looked up this $1200 Defender DXB 100. It's a glorified air purifier marketed to the cannabis industry. This can do everything the $1200 unit can and at a price you're more likely to afford.

Amazon.com: Medify MA-25 Air Purifier with True HEPA H13 Filter | 825 ft² Coverage in 1hr for Allergens, Smoke, Wildfires, Odors, Pollen, Pet Dander | Quiet 99.9% Removal to 0.1 Microns | Silver, 1-Pack : Home & Kitchen

Buy Medify MA-25 Air Purifier with True HEPA H13 Filter | 825 ft² Coverage in 1hr for Allergens, Smoke, Wildfires, Odors, Pollen, Pet Dander | Quiet 99.9% Removal to 0.1 Microns | Silver, 1-Pack: HEPA Air Purifiers - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

However, if the grow were mine, I'd put my time and effort into correcting the environment that allows for WPM to thrive. If its been a problem, spray down the whole grow area with 72% rubbing alcohol. This should be done between every indoor grow anyway out of good sanitation practices.

Edit: don't spray alcohol around live plants. If plants are infected, spores will still be shed. The easiest thing to do is cull the plants, spray the grow area with alcohol and cut your losses.

I’m gonna let this run finish out I have 2 weeks left and WPM is not too bad but definitely still an issue. I added another dehumidifier to help with spikes and 2 more fans for better circulation. Was thinking about cleaning the whole room with alcohol and also sulfur I will not have any plants in there while doing so. I was recommended that DXB 100 but a cultivator says he swears by it but yeah it’s definitely pricey wanted to see if anyone else had some info or input on the product

 

[ATLien415]

Does anybody have any experience on using innovation solutions Pro guard the model is defended DXB 100. I was recommended the system to help get rid of PM.

This is 100% a wack-waste-of-money. UV generating devices are UV generating devices, ozone generating devices are ozone generating devices. Really no purpose to this unless it is somehow removing UV photons from the air, because UV for all intents and purposes is super reflective inside a 'bubble' of ozone and would be a safety feature that nullifies the device having any impact...

I’m gonna let this run finish out I have 2 weeks left and WPM is not too bad but definitely still an issue. I added another dehumidifier to help with spikes and 2 more fans for better circulation. Was thinking about cleaning the whole room with alcohol and also sulfur I will not have any plants in there while doing so. I was recommended that DXB 100 but a cultivator says he swears by it but yeah it’s definitely pricey wanted to see if anyone else had some info or input on the product

I'm sorry but your dude is kinda onto snake oil. I mean this stuff works, but is generally not smart. This is like...a facility in the wild west that will not take the time or effort to do things right, but has money to blow, so buys this. I can get you a device on par with their $1500 unit for $100-$200. Like having 220V options is literally the only thing unusual I see about the site. This is something you would under zero circumstances ever be around in the grow room. Just had a circus on Grow Diaries with a clown telling someone to slap an ozone generator in their hallway...lol These devices """"""actively releasing antioxidants""""" and """""continuous air and surface sanitization"""""""" Well, folks should be intelligent and read inbetween the lines. This is just an ozone generator. There is a reason they are using specific words.

Anyway, back to WPM ... I've read that people are using UVC with varying degrees of success. UVC is probably what this "Defender DXB 100" is based on. While its well known that UVC will kill microbial infections, it will also damage plant tissue. I've not seen any studies that focus on plant tissue damage. Only that UVC is considered antimicrobial shortwave radiation with the focus of the studies on microbial pest control.

Any UV photon is gonna have this property. C is not the optimal choice, because it is the exact size as a DNA molecule. Aka cancer because you're shooting bullets through your DNA. A has these properties without the raw, unfiltered damage to you.

In my head the Uv response needs to be "programmed" into the plant from as early on as possible. Trying to find scientific evidence of this has been more difficult.

I have done this both ways and I think it somewhere in the middle. Stress memory yeah, but the UV photons are still gonna have an impact even without it introduced like this.

Real solutions using your brain, not your wallet and wishes, are: (1) dew point theory to circumvent mold or (2) literal solutions like CannaGuard-Pro. Like this device to be worth the money should be a stand alone unit with a few thousand yards worth of carbon to draw through and an array of 4 plates for ozone generation that then gets pushed through the few miles of carbon. Otherwise, this is an ozone generator in a box.

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

Any UV photon is gonna have this property. C is not the optimal choice, because it is the exact size as a DNA molecule. Aka cancer because you're shooting bullets through your DNA. A has these properties without the raw, unfiltered damage to you.

Your information on UV is incorrect. Not all UV light is created equal. Here's a breakdown of the different wave lengths and some of their uses.

UVA has zero microbial properties. It's also known as "black light" or "party lights." It's what you see on many grow lights from the factory. It does nothing to increase resin production. It runs from about 315nm - 395nm

UVB is the middle ground. It's typically referred to as wave lengths from 280nm to 315nm. It has some antimicrobial properties and is what is "supposed" to trigger a response from cannabis to produce more resin. @Grownsince95 has stated success. I personally have not had success in raising resin production using UVB

UVC is dangerous to humans, plants, insects and microbes. Its considered to be short wave radiation. UVC light is used INSIDE certain air purifiers. It's also been used to sterilize medical instruments and laboratory equipment. It requires special PPE to protect against harmful radiation. It will damage both your skin and eyes.

 

[ATLien415]

Your information on UV is incorrect. Not all UV light is created equal. Here's a breakdown of the different wave lengths and some of their uses.

UVA has zero microbial properties. It's also known as "black light" or "party lights." It's what you see on many grow lights from the factory. It does nothing to increase resin production. It runs from about 315nm - 395nm

UVB is the middle ground. It's typically referred to as wave lengths from 280nm to 315nm. It has some antimicrobial properties and is what is "supposed" to trigger a response from cannabis to produce more resin. @Grownsince95 has stated success. I personally have not had success in raising resin production using UVB

UVC is dangerous to humans, plants, insects and microbes. Its considered to be short wave radiation. UVC light is used INSIDE certain air purifiers. It's also been used to sterilize medical instruments and laboratory equipment. It requires special PPE to protect against harmful radiation. It will damage both your skin and eyes.

Categorically false. Not going to tit for tat with you on this, people can do their own research...hopefully with scientific sources. A layperson's understanding versus the gnitty gritty science detail is where we disagree. Really the only saving grace for your health with your misunderstanding would be the fact that UV photons are such high energy, the inverse square relationship implies very short distances...

Source - I have a physics degree, where all my technical background comes from. Your comment is what ChatGPT will give you for a rundown on UV light and cannabis cultivation, and is largely correct for UV band photons with respect to cannabis. Without even going into my physics background, I also have multiple documented UV band supplementation diaries online and regularly move UV fixtures about the room for various purposes (both A diodes and a formal O3 plate style C generator).

If all UV A and B does not have any negative impact, then why do dermatologists globally recommend sunscreen? Why is there a causal relationship with cancer? Or, since you think it is okay for us because of plants...I would ask, where are our trichome deposits to shield us from the radiation?

Like for example, your response to the UV-C band only notes the PPE with respect to skin and eyes. Ozone is rough on the skin and eyes (and on the lungs). Why though? Because ozone both drives oxidation and the generation is a byproduct of UV-C photon generation essentially. Regardless if you have the plate style (like this thread topic or my commercial device) or a hot cathode style bulb where metal is vaporized and then a trick is used to emit UV-C..... Ozone and UV-C are essentially tied together for our discussion...unless using an LED. UV-C is exactly the right size of a photon to impact your DNA molecules. Certainly the most dangerous. The probability is imminent for damage. UV-B is not something you would get a bulb of and point at your testicles...........neither is UV-A. Like......people get cancer from tanning beds, yeah? Okay then...... UV-B....people get sunburn, yeah? Okay then...... The size is not '100% perfect' to act as projectiles with DNA, but you're playing with probability density curves and hoping to spin a good number...again and again and again. The response also emphasized INSIDE of the device, which is not true. Ozone generators are used for disinfecting ducts and such because (with UV being super reflective in ozone) you can push an ozone bubble through the duct with UV inside of it. So, how do these devices contain the ozone and UV while operating? ........ If you read any of them, you'd know that they in large part do nothing. They put mandatory labels saying 'stay TF away from this when it is on'. This isn't even getting into the nuance of the situation. You can reduce your loads, disinfect, sanitize, or sterilize with these devices but shadowing is always an issue...meaning you will get minimal impact on flower without using ozone flushing. This is also why UV-a (and even B) is perfectly fine for drying rooms...as long as they are diode driven.

I appreciate your input on the subject, but this is honestly an issue in the community. It reeks of those old stories where jimbob found a cool rod in the forest and put it in the basement, 4 generations and 50+ cancer cases later, they find out it was a fuel rod. Just had someone over on grow diaries tell a new grower to slap an ozone in the residential hallway instead of even try a carbon filter. Like no. So wrong, nothing about it is even close to okay or valid or correct. This isn't rocket science. This is 201 level physics, with free bachelor's level or high school level textbooks available. You can feel that it isn't okay for yourself...go get a nice sunburn, then go into your tents with lights on 100% for with a full spec fixture....it'll hurt!

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

Categorically false. Not going to tit for tat with you on this, people can do their own research...hopefully with scientific sources. A layperson's understanding versus the gnitty gritty science detail is where we disagree. Really the only saving grace for your health with your misunderstanding would be the fact that UV photons are such high energy, the inverse square relationship implies very short distances...

Source - I have a physics degree, where all my technical background comes from. Your comment is what ChatGPT will give you for a rundown on UV light and cannabis cultivation, and is largely correct for UV band photons with respect to cannabis. Without even going into my physics background, I also have multiple documented UV band supplementation diaries online and regularly move UV fixtures about the room for various purposes (both A diodes and a formal O3 plate style C generator).

If all UV A and B does not have any negative impact, then why do dermatologists globally recommend sunscreen? Why is there a causal relationship with cancer? Or, since you think it is okay for us because of plants...I would ask, where are our trichome deposits to shield us from the radiation?

Like for example, your response to the UV-C band only notes the PPE with respect to skin and eyes. Ozone is rough on the skin and eyes (and on the lungs). Why though? Because ozone both drives oxidation and the generation is a byproduct of UV-C photon generation essentially. Regardless if you have the plate style (like this thread topic or my commercial device) or a hot cathode style bulb where metal is vaporized and then a trick is used to emit UV-C..... Ozone and UV-C are essentially tied together for our discussion...unless using an LED. UV-C is exactly the right size of a photon to impact your DNA molecules. Certainly the most dangerous. The probability is imminent for damage. UV-B is not something you would get a bulb of and point at your testicles...........neither is UV-A. Like......people get cancer from tanning beds, yeah? Okay then...... UV-B....people get sunburn, yeah? Okay then...... The size is not '100% perfect' to act as projectiles with DNA, but you're playing with probability density curves and hoping to spin a good number...again and again and again. The response also emphasized INSIDE of the device, which is not true. Ozone generators are used for disinfecting ducts and such because (with UV being super reflective in ozone) you can push an ozone bubble through the duct with UV inside of it. So, how do these devices contain the ozone and UV while operating? ........ If you read any of them, you'd know that they in large part do nothing. They put mandatory labels saying 'stay TF away from this when it is on'. This isn't even getting into the nuance of the situation. You can reduce your loads, disinfect, sanitize, or sterilize with these devices but shadowing is always an issue...meaning you will get minimal impact on flower without using ozone flushing. This is also why UV-a (and even B) is perfectly fine for drying rooms...as long as they are diode driven.

I appreciate your input on the subject, but this is honestly an issue in the community. It reeks of those old stories where jimbob found a cool rod in the forest and put it in the basement, 4 generations and 50+ cancer cases later, they find out it was a fuel rod. Just had someone over on grow diaries tell a new grower to slap an ozone in the residential hallway instead of even try a carbon filter. Like no. So wrong, nothing about it is even close to okay or valid or correct. This isn't rocket science. This is 201 level physics, with free bachelor's level or high school level textbooks available. You can feel that it isn't okay for yourself...go get a nice sunburn, then go into your tents with lights on 100% for with a full spec fixture....it'll hurt!

I never said UVB does no damage. That would be UVA. UVB is exactly why we use sunscreen. It's also what I stated if you re-read it ... it has some antimicrobial properties. UVC is damaging. And yes, it does produce ozone. Just because I didn't mention it doesn't mean I don't know about it.

I didn't need an AI chat bot to give you the information I gave you. Your statement from your first post made it sound like you were putting all UV light into the same basket. It's not the same. It's quite different. My response was actually factually quite accurate.

 

[ATLien415]

It was 100% technically accurate if you were talking to a group of cannabis plants. Try getting one of these devices to market. It is a nightmare from FCC registration to warning labels on just about every surface...because most folks don't understand it like you or I do, and won't be seeking out the nuances. Like this product is a $1500 device that is a "cannabis" branded $150 device... Someone buying this is not going to be thinking about nuance, they're likely just thinking that their wealth saved them a lot of effort in the grow room and surely a $1500 device would be safe.

 

[RoadKillSkunkHunt]

It was 100% technically accurate if you were talking to a group of cannabis plants. Try getting one of these devices to market. It is a nightmare from FCC registration to warning labels on just about every surface...because most folks don't understand it like you or I do, and won't be seeking out the nuances. Like this product is a $1500 device that is a "cannabis" branded $150 device... Someone buying this is not going to be thinking about nuance, they're likely just thinking that their wealth saved them a lot of effort in the grow room and surely a $1500 device would be safe.

I whole-heartedly agree. I posted a $130 air purifier. It does the same thing as this $1200 machine marketed to the cannabis industry. You can even buy a home air purifier that uses UVC (inside the machine) to disinfect the output air.