Defoliate side by side comparison small trees

smokedareefer · Aug 2, 2021

It was suggested to me by a fourm member to do a side by side comparison.
My system 13 gal rdwc , current culture
Tangerine tonic a clementine gmo cross.
I grew 4 of these out the last round and the day i flipped them to flower i cut clones from what i considered the best of the 4. Here she is on day 64. They were harvested on day 73 (july 20) and could have gone another week to 10 days

Today her clones the 4 in my trial are on day 14 of flower and i haven't done any removal of leaves.
Number 1
Number 2
Number 3
Number 4

I plan to defoliate number 1 and 3 around day 21 as i normally would and just clean up the lower branches of the other 2

30roll · Aug 3, 2021

How do you think it will work out?
I have trouble thinking the plant would have bigger buds without all it's leaves..

smokedareefer · Aug 3, 2021

30roll said:
How do you think it will work out?
I have trouble thinking the plant would have bigger buds without all it's leaves..

3 years ago i would have agreed with you going with the solar panel theory.

But since then I've changed to the defoliation camp, i know my yield has increased and i think its mainly because of the defoliation where as the fourm member that suggested this trial is a solarpannelest and thinks otherwise.

mysticepipedon · Aug 3, 2021

Pulling up a chair for this. From your first pic it looks like better light penetration to lower parts of the plant is what provides the better yields.

I've always wanted to see a side-by-side comparison.

30roll · Aug 3, 2021

I guess we will find out.
It's good you're willing to do the test.

Moshmen · Aug 3, 2021

Thanks for sharing I used to never pull a living leaf but as skills improve I’ve def moved to defol side of life I’m pullin up a chair as well !

growsince79 · Aug 3, 2021

breaking out the popcorn.

socks4free · Aug 3, 2021

Interesting, will be fun to see the differences

LexLuthor · Aug 3, 2021

smokedareefer said:
3 years ago i would have agreed with you going with the solar panel theory.

But since then I've changed to the defoliation camp, i know my yield has increased and i think its mainly because of the defoliation where as the fourm member that suggested this trial is a solarpannelest and thinks otherwise.

If every factor has not remained constant, it doesn't prove anything either way.

Almost every grower will get better over time and they tend to increase their yields as they gain experience growing. Attributing it to 1 factor is what creates bro science.

Every scientific study done by actual scientists at Universities across this nation have concluded that heavy defoliation (35%+) will reduce yield of any species of fruit or vegetable, every time.

And I'm not a solar panelist, I do defoliate 5-10% at times, especially the big fan leaves that block bud sites and reduce air flow thru the canopy.

Just thought I'd mention that, good luck with your grows.

mysticepipedon · Aug 3, 2021

LexLuthor said:
If every factor has not remained constant, it doesn't prove anything either way.

Almost every grower will get better over time and they tend to increase their yields as they gain experience growing. Attributing it to 1 factor is what creates bro science.

I think this is a far cry from bro science when an actual comparison is being made. And we have one degree of freedom! That's got to be at least one degree higher than the best bro science.

LexLuthor · Aug 3, 2021

mysticepipedon said:
I think this is a far cry from bro science when an actual comparison is being made. And we have one degree of freedom! That's got to be at least one degree higher than the best bro science.

A comparison without having complete control over every variable and differing variables from grow to grow is exactly what bro science is.

And yes, freedom, 'Merica!!

smokedareefer · Aug 3, 2021

Let me say my venture into defoliation was 2 fold.

It makes harvest so much easier (using a bowl trimmer)and it allows me to keep a better eye on things.

My grow is all personal and i have no problem pulling a lb from each plant weather i defoliate or not so an increase in yield was not my objective but i do think it was a result.

Re: Putting on my white lab coat

smokedareefer · Aug 4, 2021

mysticepipedon said:
looks like better light penetration to lower parts of the plant is what provides the better yields.

Here's the lux meter reading on july 6 stuck in mid plant height and maybe 16 inches in.

mysticepipedon · Aug 4, 2021

LexLuthor said:
A comparison without having complete control over every variable and differing variables from grow to grow is exactly what bro science is.

And yes, freedom, 'Merica!!

It's side by side, not grow to grow. 4 clones from one mother plant.

How would you do it?

smokedareefer · Aug 6, 2021

I plan to defoliate 2 of the 4 plants tomorrow. Originally i said i was going to defoliate #1 and #3.

Does anyone want me to pick 2 different ones for this trial?
Number 1

Number 2

Number 3

Number 4

mancorn · Aug 6, 2021

Pulling up a chair.

Seems to me that the plants aren’t very bushy up top. If I just looked at the pictures, I would have guessed they had already been defolianted. Which makes me think that there’s not going to be a big difference (like you might get with Indica with big fat leaves and short internodal spacing).

LexLuthor · Aug 6, 2021

mysticepipedon said:
It's side by side, not grow to grow. 4 clones from one mother plant.

How would you do it?

I was referring to when he said he feels that since he started defoliating he has increased his yield. Which is obviously grow to grow. What he is doing right now is not what I was talking about.

LexLuthor · Aug 6, 2021

Anyways, good luck @smokedareefer I don't wanna side track your thread anymore.

smokedareefer · Aug 6, 2021

LexLuthor said:
Anyways, good luck @smokedareefer I don't wanna side track your thread anymore.

Not side tracking the thread at all. Actually your posts were my reason for asking if someone would prefer picking the 2 to defoliate rather than me saying which 2. I thought that if someone else was to pick the 2 to defoliate it would make the trial a little more random.

iX_Lazy_Xi · Aug 6, 2021

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