Defoliate side by side comparison small trees

growsince79 · Oct 10, 2021

strainguy said:
Well, from my short personal experience, i am not a big fan of taking off so many fan leaves. Leaves are needed to produce growth energy for the buds till the end of the flowering stage. While the plant still grows nice buds even if you take most of them off, when you take only those blocking the light, the buds are much nicer and bigger at the end.

If you only take down the sails that catch wind, does the boat go faster?

Murdawg420 · Oct 10, 2021

Personally, I look for leaf to bud ratios when choosing a strain..
Saves having to bother with defoliation when you find what you're after. Interested in your findings though!
Good grow!

detroitjoe · Oct 10, 2021

To defoliate or not to defoliate; that is the question.

I answered that question many moons ago for myself while watching a movie called WIERD SCIENCE.

smokedareefer · Oct 12, 2021

Number 1, 2, and 3 were taken off the drying nets after 10 days drying and put into the vaults. Using those meters that everyone loves to hate, the rh is 62% to 65% , will get a weight when its stable.
Looking at the volume in the vaults # 1 (defoliate) and number 2 look pretty equal by volume.

growsince79 · Oct 13, 2021

detroitjoe said:
To defoliate or not to defoliate; that is the question.

I answered that question many moons ago for myself while watching a movie called WIERD SCIENCE.

Please translate.

PizzaBob · Oct 13, 2021

So in like one sentence, what’s the verdict????

smokedareefer · Oct 13, 2021

PizzaBob said:
So in like one sentence, what’s the verdict????

1,2 and 3 left to right. #4 still on the drying net. 17 liter vaults

smokedareefer · Oct 20, 2021

Everything is stable around 61% humidity in the vaults .

#1 defoliated 916 grams
#2 not def 960 grams
#3 defoliated 665 grams
#4 not def 1126 grams

The two that weren't defoliated out yielded the other by 18 oz.

My conclusion is, there's too many variables

growsince79 · Oct 20, 2021

smokedareefer said:
Everything is stable around 61% humidity in the vaults .

#1 defoliated 916 grams
#2 not def 960 grams
#3 defoliated 665 grams
#4 not def 1126 grams

The two that weren't defoliated out yielded the other by 18 oz.

My conclusion is, there's too many variables

Any difference in taste?

growsince79 · Oct 20, 2021

growsince79 said:
Any difference in taste?

#3 seems to be the outlier. Wonder what happened there. Got bugs?

smokedareefer · Oct 20, 2021

growsince79 said:
#3 seems to be the outlier. Wonder what happened there. Got bugs?

Haven't tried any of it and don't know if id be able to "taste " any difference.

#3 had the smallest structure from the beginning. Just the way she was. No bugs.

growsince79 · Oct 20, 2021

smokedareefer said:
Haven't tried any of it and don't know if id be able to "taste " any difference.

#3 had the smallest structure from the beginning. Just the way she was. No bugs.

Being all clones don't make sense. Something must be up.

smokedareefer · Oct 20, 2021

As my wife said "they are identical quads with their own personalities.

From day 21 when they were defoliated in my mind #3 was the loser and #4 was going to be the winner. So i had eliminated those 2 and thought a comparison between 1 & 2 was in order but then the n deficiency showed up first on the fan leaves of #2. That's when i started chasing my tail which im sure benefitted #4 .

My best guess but by appearance alone #3 never had a chance.

Roots from #1, 2 add 3. Red streaking on the stalk, is it a deficiency ?

growsince79 · Nov 24, 2021

smokedareefer said:
As my wife said "they are identical quads with their own personalities.

From day 21 when they were defoliated in my mind #3 was the loser and #4 was going to be the winner. So i had eliminated those 2 and thought a comparison between 1 & 2 was in order but then the n deficiency showed up first on the fan leaves of #2. That's when i started chasing my tail which im sure benefitted #4 .

My best guess but by appearance alone #3 never had a chance.

Roots from #1, 2 add 3. Red streaking on the stalk, is it a deficiency ?View attachment 1180693

How about a smoke report. Any difference?

smokedareefer · Nov 24, 2021

growsince79 said:
How about a smoke report. Any difference?

Every time I roll one up I remember your question.

I'm not really one to notice the taste so to speak, either it hits good or it doesn't. But psychology I think #4 as being the smoothest first thing in the morning (not def)

smokedareefer · Nov 26, 2021

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mysticepipedon · Nov 26, 2021

Wouldn't that be cool if you could take a hit off a pipe, cough it out with disgust and say, "Over-defoliated!!"

Hmm… I'll have to give that a try. I know a lot of people would say, "Really? How can you tell?"

ezenzyme · Jan 2, 2023

well this proves it without a shadow of doubt! solar panel theory, bro tested and bro approved! sticky this one ya mods!!!!!!

smokedareefer · Jan 2, 2023

Not sure i agree with the solar panel theory but they can be useful as eyes to the soul.

Case in point, i was going to continue with a different strain from the same breeder true tree ranch called heart attack.
Again i picked what i considered the best of the 4 and took cuttings from her the day before flower to use in this trial. Here's the pheno i choose to be the mom.
Well she locked up but the other 3 seeds didnt and my attempts to unlock her failed so basically we grew out 3 of the 4 seeds as the mother didn't amount to nothing but the other 3 did pretty good.

So what we have now in the flower room are 4 clones from the mom that failed and im wanting to keep a closer eye on them so i may not defoliate them. They are on day 13 of flower now and all i done is shaved their legs at day 1. Here they were on Dec 17, i flipped them on the 21st.

Defoliate side by side comparison small trees

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