Diamond Density nutrient for flower and PGRs

[needshelpguy]

Has anyone had any experience with the diamond density nutrient? It stops the stretch and immediately brings on flowering, using for the first time in a couple weeks looking to see if anyone has used before?

 

[Edinburgh]

I recommend Atami Bloombastic.

 

[skinnypuppy]

Any product that claims to immediately bring on flowering is full of shit and not the good kind

 

[needshelpguy]

Any product that claims to immediately bring on flowering is full of shit and not the good kind

What makes you say that? heres what they reckon it does "Diamond Density employs the latest in plant hormone technology, bonding essential pyltochemical triggers with a carrier. This allows us to control the hormonal response with great accuracy which in turn allows us to limit quality degradation whilst pushing extreme weight gain. Use Diamond Density to increase your yield without increasing light or plant sites." will update how i get on this time

 

[Justlovetogrow]

Sounds like pgr to me

 

[needshelpguy]

Hopefully it atleast gives me good control over the stretch, as it says use for a week once plants have reached desired height

 

[Aqua Man]

PGR I belive its Paclobutrazol

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[needshelpguy]

Thanks for the info guys i didnt actually know what PGRs were, how would I find out if this nutrient contains them for sure or not? You'd think if its only fed for a week at the start of flower its be all flushed by the end? I've only fed them with it twice as of yet

 

[needshelpguy]

Only info I can find,
Diamond Density rapid flower & hardener packs on weight and speeds up the onset of flowering. Formally OG Rapid, this living legend has had a re-brand.

One of the questions we get asked in our shop is 'Whatever happened to Superbud?' Well as it is not around anymore, many people were looking for a Superbud replacement.. and here it is. This product works in a very similar way to the old Superbud. However, this product does not contain any banned substances.

Diamond Density is a powerful flowering stimulant that can be used to:

1 - Force a rapid onset of flowering when used in week one of the flowering cycle.

or

2 - Increase weight and density when used in weeks 6-7 of the flowering cycle.

or

3 - BOTH!

marketing finally got me hahah, used to not feed any additives or anything when i was in soil, but you seem to get deficiency's if you dont use the whole range this was just a random add on hahah,
The more you know, teach me to do some research before jumping the gun...

 

[Frankster]

I recommend Atami Bloombastic.

Interesting stuff. Bascially enzymes, cofactors, vitamins, Phos, and potassium, sugars looks like. Plus a unique phosphate complex.

I'm making something very similar, I believe, although this might be dialed in a bit better.

Phosphorus pentoxide crystallizes in at least four forms or polymorphs. It is closely related to the corresponding anhydride of phosphorous acid, P4O6. The latter lacks terminal oxo groups. This form can be made by condensing the vapor of phosphorus pentoxide rapidly, and the result is an extremely hygroscopic solid. "A reversible transition of a solid crystalline phase at a certain temperature and pressure (the inversion point) to another phase of the same chemical composition with a different crystal structure. Materials with two polymorphs are called dimorphic, with three polymorphs, trimorphic, etc.

 

[needshelpguy]

Interesting stuff. Bascially enzymes, cofactors, vitamins, Phos, and potassium, sugars looks like. Plus a unique phosphate complex.

I'm making something very similar, I believe, although this might be dialed in a bit better.

Phosphorus pentoxide crystallizes in at least four forms or polymorphs. It is closely related to the corresponding anhydride of phosphorous acid, P4O6. The latter lacks terminal oxo groups. This form can be made by condensing the vapor of phosphorus pentoxide rapidly, and the result is an extremely hygroscopic solid. "A reversible transition of a solid crystalline phase at a certain temperature and pressure (the inversion point) to another phase of the same chemical composition with a different crystal structure. Materials with two polymorphs are called dimorphic, with three polymorphs, trimorphic, etc.
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Is this considered PGRs?

 

[Frankster]

Is this considered PGRs?

Yes, I would say so for the most part. Anytime your producing enzymatic action, (via metabolism) your manufacturing precursors for the rest of the puzzle as well.

Enzymes are proteins that act as biological catalysts. Catalysts accelerate chemical reactions. The molecules upon which enzymes may act are called substrates, and the enzyme converts the substrates into different molecules known as products. Plants respond to developmental cues and environmental stresses by controlling both the level and activity of various hormones. One mechanism of modulating hormone action involves amino acid conjugation. In plants, the GH3 family of enzymes conjugates various amino acids to jasmonates, auxins and benzoates.

ie. Glycoside Hydrolase, N-acetyl-β-D-glucosaminide phosphorylases.

Hormones include auxins, gibberellins (GA), abscisic acid (ABA), cytokinins (CK), salicylic acid (SA), ethylene (ET), jasmonates (JA), brassinosteroids (BR), and peptides.

Modulating plant hormones by enzyme action

 

[Aqua Man]

"og" Or "original" Brand Additive To Reduce Stretch

Has anybody heard of this specific brand? A guy I met was going on about it and how it's all natural blah, blah. Not knowing exactly what it was I didn't engage. Sounds like a PGR, none of which are particularly healthy for you as far as I know. But I cant find it anywhere and it's bugging the...

www.thcfarmer.com

Only info I can find,
Diamond Density rapid flower & hardener packs on weight and speeds up the onset of flowering. Formally OG Rapid, this living legend has had a re-brand.

One of the questions we get asked in our shop is 'Whatever happened to Superbud?' Well as it is not around anymore, many people were looking for a Superbud replacement.. and here it is. This product works in a very similar way to the old Superbud. However, this product does not contain any banned substances.

Diamond Density is a powerful flowering stimulant that can be used to:

1 - Force a rapid onset of flowering when used in week one of the flowering cycle.

or

2 - Increase weight and density when used in weeks 6-7 of the flowering cycle.

or

3 - BOTH!

marketing finally got me hahah, used to not feed any additives or anything when i was in soil, but you seem to get deficiency's if you dont use the whole range this was just a random add on hahah,
The more you know, teach me to do some research before jumping the gun...

Because it affects hormones bro its a PGR. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a duck.

Paclobutrazol is not a banned substance as far as I know, other than Cali and Oregon.. so slight of words leads ppl to believe it's not the scum scam PGR of previous days but.... I would say that... its a duck.... quack quack.

Don't have to take my word for it its your grow but if it affects hormones it's a PGR plain and simple.... and that's not to say all are bad but when you can't get a list of ingredients it's a dead giveaway they are doing everything they can to hide it.

 

[Frankster]

I've actually got some female plants I'm currently turning male.

"og" Or "original" Brand Additive To Reduce Stretch

Has anybody heard of this specific brand? A guy I met was going on about it and how it's all natural blah, blah. Not knowing exactly what it was I didn't engage. Sounds like a PGR, none of which are particularly healthy for you as far as I know. But I cant find it anywhere and it's bugging the...

www.thcfarmer.com

Because it affects hormones bro its a PGR. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a duck.

Paclobutrazol is not a banned substance as far as I know, other than Cali and Oregon.. so slight of words leads ppl to believe it's not the scum scam PGR of previous days but.... I would say that... its a duck.... quack quack.

Don't have to take my word for it its your grow but if it affects hormones it's a PGR plain and simple.... and that's not to say all are bad but when you can't get a list of ingredients it's a dead giveaway they are doing everything they can to hide it.

Right, because you can go out and purchase all the said items in bulk, for 10% of the price, and make 10x more of it. Or grow it in a dark corner, with a little sugar.

Knowledge is power, and the point of these exercises is to hold everyone over a barrel to extract every $ possible. Every "miracle in a bottle" usually does one thing, and they line them up one after another.

 

[Frankster]

I guess I kind of look at hormones and photochemical though the same lens these days. At least where plants are concerned. That said, it's more of a developmental issue, above all else, I think.

The right hormones, at the right stages of development. Seaweed, kelp is full of much of what an early plant needs, perhaps things like salicylic acid and fluvic are useful for increasing bud set, after the first few weeks. I also sometimes use some rooting hormones early on.

Other than that, I do occasionally block Ethelene production using STS in females to create a feminized male plant. That's about the extent of my use for hormones. Personally, I think the lights matter more than anything, in this vein.

A healthy, vigorous plant will generally produce everything it needs.

 

[Aqua Man]

I guess I kind of look at hormones and photochemical though the same lens these days. At least where plants are concerned. That said, it's more of a developmental issue, above all else, I think.

The right hormones, at the right stages of development. Seaweed, kelp is full of what we need, perhaps things like salicylic acid and fluvic are useful during bud set, after the first few weeks. I also sometimes use some rooting hormones.

Other than that, I do block Ethelene production using STS in females to create a feminized male plant. That's about the extent of my use for hormones. Personally, I think the lights matter more than anything, in this vein.

Yeah like triacantonal, it's a natural PGR derived from things like kelp, bees wax and alfalfa. I have no concerns using it. You can buy trial cheap af and make your own (not as easy as it sounds in small batches) yet the products like green planet massive and heavy16 fire that incorporate them are changing huge prices because growers see the results. I just think we need to be concerned over what the results come at a cost of like several of these synthetic PGRs that are starting to see more regulation as they should be.

Not all PGRs are bad... but I don't feel this product based on its history is on the up an up at all.

 

[Anthem]

Yeah like triacantonal, it's a natural PGR derived from things like kelp, bees wax and alfalfa. I have no concerns using it. You can buy trial cheap af and make your own (not as easy as it sounds in small batches) yet the products like green planet massive and heavy16 fire that incorporate them are changing huge prices because growers see the results. I just think we need to be concerned over what the results come at a cost of like several of these synthetic PGRs that are starting to see more regulation as they should be.

Not all PGRs are bad... but I don't feel this product based on its history is on the up an up at all.

Aqua I am going to cut down some plants tomorrow. I have been running the strain for a number of years and I tried the Massive last run and had great results. A solid 2 1/2 per light. This run is looking as good or better. No nothing, just base nutrients, Cal Mag and Silica. I did up grade the silica to the same as power SI. I am getting to the point that I think even Tria is a waste for the cost. You are 100 percent correct about anything that claims to stop stretch and start flower is Paclobutrazol. Once you have seen buds growing with the stuff it is kind of hard to not realize what was used.

 

[Ponky]

No bud hardener. No growth modulators. Cuz dey is no beuno.

 

[needshelpguy]

Thanks for the info guys I'm gonna stop using it, I only used it for 2 feeds so surely it'll be flushed by the time flowering finishes?

 

[Frankster]

What the fuck is an "Advanced ATA bio simulant"? That's what I want to know.
Or is it something that simply lubricates, and liberates your money from out of the pocket.

Does anyone see the prices they want for that shit? They want $158 usd for 1.25L of this mess, plus suggesting buying something else.