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I admit again, these nutes are pricey, but convenient for people who doesn’t want to do heavy work like i do and you do, for me with tilling, mixing and shit and getting the calculations right to provide a balanced diet, finding all the other stuff seperately to add micros, enzymes and calcium and so on.I've been using Peter's 20-20-20 for 30 years, but can't find it anymore. I used Jacks 20-20-20 and have great results. I use composted manure and wood ashes to provide the micronutrients. No muss, no fuss, no burning if used 1 Tbs/Gallon. I'm guessing that some of these magic potions help in some ways, but for the small difference in results isn't always verifiable.
People running 1000 lights don’t buy canna nutes cause if they did, they had to sell a joint for a 20. They make those nutes for people who want convenience. Calling it a scam is stretching it, thats what i meant, ok. I know they are pricey, i do living organic soil anyway, not using any nute. But they are not a “scam” if they work at the end. These are all systems people choose to use. You choose your path and people choose theirs.Weed won't only grow with "magical" $50 a bottle nutrients.
There is no formula/proportions, none of the "weed fertilizers" use the same NPK or the same ratios yet, people have had success with all of them.
NPK, Calcium, Magnesium, Sulphur, Manganese, Boron, Zinc and Copper is what matters.
People have had success with Miracle Grow + epsom salt. Why is that ?
Because it has all the nutrients the plant needs, there's nothing magic to it.
This myth has been debunked decades ago, people running 1000+ lights aren't buying canna nutes lol.
They modify the stuff commercially available or make their own fertilizer from scratch.
Amen brotha . Merica!!People running 1000 lights don’t buy canna nutes cause if they did, they had to sell a joint for a 20. They make those nutes for people who want convenience. Calling it a scam is stretching it, thats what i meant, ok. I know they are pricey, i do living organic soil anyway, not using any nute. But they are not a “scam” if they work at the end. These are all systems people choose to use. You choose your path and people choose theirs.
You can grow with anything you like. You can grow cannabis with cacti fert. What i meant is these products are formulated to get you the best yields and as far as not all of them having the same ratios and all, thats why some work better and people post threads about what to use. You can use miracle grow but then add epsom because it is not perfect for cannabis as it is and miracle grow is not free either. I’m not gonna debate on how capitalism works, you pay for convenience. I’m not saying this is the perfect system, but its the world we live in right now.
Finally, the difference with chemical fertilizers should not be that great imho. In organics, sources and processing methods are very important and has a direct effect on the price tag, greatly. Calcium-nitrate is calcium-nitrate however. Some are better i’m sure but they are still salt.
I finished a few grows but not with coco and which of the answers would you say is a definitiv yes, no or even slightly in the direction of it’s possible or not ?
The thread got kidnapped and is about jacks nutes which we don’t have here so I don’t even know it...
Thats not strictly true ive done large grows with canna and house and garden nutes.canna was a cheaper option than house and garden by far but the results far out wiegh the costs and i would highly recommend it if you can afford the setup costWeed won't only grow with "magical" $50 a bottle nutrients.
There is no formula/proportions, none of the "weed fertilizers" use the same NPK or the same ratios yet, people have had success with all of them.
NPK, Calcium, Magnesium, Sulphur, Manganese, Boron, Zinc and Copper is what matters.
People have had success with Miracle Grow + epsom salt. Why is that ?
Because it has all the nutrients the plant needs, there's nothing magic to it.
This myth has been debunked decades ago, people running 1000+ lights aren't buying canna nutes lol.
They modify the stuff commercially available or make their own fertilizer from scratch.
Not saying any path is wrong.Thats not strictly true ive done large grows with canna and house and garden nutes.canna was a cheaper option than house and garden by far but the results far out wiegh the costs and i would highly recommend it if you can afford the setup cost
I totally agree bro.over the years the science behind the newts has changed a lot and the quaility and yields have increased dramatically nutes i think play a big role in this esp if your environment is sorted the only way to increase yield is by nutes and techniqueNot saying any path is wrong.
If its get results and you are not using whale blood for it, you’re ok.
Convenience comes for a price, literally.
And a balanced diet can’t be beat. If @xinobyte can manage to create that balance with some basic chemistry thats ok. Some people can’t and canna, hesi and many many others offer a viable solution to those people.
Yeah you suggested it in my grow journal too :)For example shooting powder if your plants are healthy enough to use it you will see a 15% to 30% increase in yield its not a gimmick it really works
Shooting powder or tops shooter forces the plant to keep flowering bro i use it with mollasses untill my flowers are ripe then i flush on the last day of flushing i add any flavours i want to use then harvest 3 hrs later works greatYeah you suggested it in my grow journal too :)
Mostly potassium.
Haven’t used it, but added a bit of molasses and a banana fpe, both are very high p and it made a difference. I can see that.
No my big potassium comes from banana peels actually and it worked like you’re describing, a shit ton of new pistils in a week and they kept coming. A bud with nothing but all red hair for like 2 weeks was looking so young and supple in a week after the banana. (Pic is not of that bud :))Shooting powder or tops shooter forces the plant to keep flowering bro i use it with mollasses untill my flowers are ripe then i flush on the last day of flushing i add any flavours i want to use then harvest 3 hrs later works great
Natural flavour essence?This is a bit off topic but flavouring your babies is easy over the years ive try many things but this method seems to work best for me during the flush on the last day dont water your plants make them thirsty. 3 hrs before harvest water them with 50ml of natural flavour essence in 3L of water dont use any sugar based products as this makes your weed burn with a black ash different strains uptake flavours differently some strains flavour easyer than others
Yes. sorry im not commenting anymore im in trouble with the mods best of luck everyoneNatural flavour essence?
I’m one of those mods, where is the trouble?Yes. sorry im not commenting anymore im in trouble with the mods best of luck everyone
Actually bro i was called the drug dealer lolI’m one of those mods, where is the trouble?
You just a got a warning for offending some people with a post insinuating that the growers on the farm are dealers. That’s all.
We gotta do what we gotta do. You can’t get offended when mods apply the forum rules. Those are in place to keep the farm and you, happy and safe.Actually bro i was called the drug dealer lol
you could probably use the canna terra in the coco but u can't use the coco nutes in soil.i know coz i tried it.the methods are fundamentaly different in that when running coco with coco nutes the coco has to be kept wet at all times but soil in smallish pots requires a dry period between watering so wen using the coco nutes in the soil the salt residue left wen the soil dries out with the salt based coco nutes builds up wen the soil dries out and all the plants were kinda shitty.someone with a better knowledge than myself maybe able to do coco nutes in soil but it didn't work for me.Hi,
I've been doing some experiments with different nutes and did some Lucas formal and my "own" canna terra feeding schedule with soil/coco mix and both were successful.
Im trying to understand why maxibloom or the GH Flora series is for soil, hydro and coco but canna for example got terra, aqua, coco etc. I can understand that if a nute like hesi has some organic content bacteria in the soil are required but canna terra doesn't have anything organic and except the npk ratio which you can alter with different vega+flores ratios and the lack of calcium which i have enough of in my tap water or some calmag is there any other reason i can't use canna terra with coco ?
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