Do I need more light?

[Coppermike]

Thanks friend, one more follow up question if you don’t mind, but I was using 3000 K bulbs at first when I decided to flower, I swapped them out for grow bulbs that emit PPF, I seen on some threads that you can use these for both vegetative and flowering. Will this also affect my yield?

Ps: the grow bulbs do have more of the red spectrum

 

[HerbalEdu]

i m gonna repeat:

thoose lights won't be enough for flowering, the plant will need a lot more light for the buds to swell well

the lights you've added prolly won't change much, how many watt total with all the lights you actually use, and what kind of bulb you've added (look like some everyday 10-20w led bulbs) ?

 

[Coppermike]

i m gonna repeat:



the lights you've added prolly won't change much, how many watt total with all the lights you actually use, and what kind of bulb you've added (look like some everyday 10-20w led bulbs) ?

Actually no, I’ve added two grow bulbs that emit PPF, and a led grow light, along with an orange 3000k led light. These are the lights I put in.

With more of a red spectrum I did notice the buds grew a lot bigger/fatter I also noticed that they’ve gotten to a certain size and kind of just stopped… there are still some white pistils all around, but in certain areas, the bud has become so big that the white hairs have covered, leaving only a few on the tippy top.

Here are some pictures of different parts of the plant, the bigger buds you see are on the Main stalk, the smaller buds that are not covered by purple lighting, are the side branches that grew symmetrically to one another

 

[Coppermike]

My biggest thing is, I feel like they may have not been getting bigger because of the amount of soil. The plant is in hoping that it is enough soil, but I am uncertain.

 

[Coppermike]

 

[HerbalEdu]

this are some 9W led bulbs ... not enough , especially for a plant starting getting that tall ...

you want minimum 150W to flower a plant that size ... and even like that bud too far from light will be larf

 

[Coppermike]

thoose lights won't be enough for flowering, the plant will need a lot more light for the buds to swell well

It won’t what? Btw these are the same “lights”

 

[Coppermike]

this are some 9W led bulbs ... not enough , especially for a plant starting getting that tall ...

you want minimum 150W to flower a plant that size ... and even like that bud too far from light will be larf

There actually 20-40w led

 

[Coppermike]

Also, there not regular bulbs..they emit ppf.

 

[cannafarmer420]

A 100 watt light is cheap and would eliminate all of those lights. A vipraspectre p1000 is a good choice for one plant. Glossy poster board is for superior to aluminum foil

 

[Sunin]

what you have there is loads of foxtails
and I think I see almost ripe bananas
that means plant hermied from lack of light probably

 

[HerbalEdu]

Also, there not regular bulbs..they emit ppf.

ppf is just the measurement of efficience of light emission at a certain distance from the light source, all kind of light will have a different ppf value at different distance from the light source .... LED are more efficent than HPS,MH,CMH, FLUO or incandescent light for exemple, for the same watt, ppf will be higher.

the more you get far from an artificial light source the more ppf value will decrease.

they are definetly not much different than regular everyday led bulb, just slightly different spectrum (most prolly a mix of more 3000K than 5000K leds), that doesn't change that much for the plant ...

what's important is they are 9W LED wich is not enough. The one with many arms is 15-20W watt i checked for another thread few days ago on amazon. and i have no idea about the one in circle but obviously not much Watt as well.

you'll get some buds that you can enjoy, most prolly airy and larf, but don't expect big dense and compact buds, you want more light power close to the buds to achieve that result

 

[HerbalEdu]

It won’t what? Btw these are the same “lights”

it won't look like that:

your main cola and and secondary buds are much more thinner and airy ....

 

[BudRanger1919]

It won’t what? Btw these are the same “lights”

Your lights are dogshit. You wasted your money on those lights, then you wasted more money by buying more of them when you were told to buy better lights. At some point you have to accept you're a student, instead you're arguing with people here who have been doing this for years.

 

[HerbalEdu]

what's important is they are 9W LED wich is not enough. The one with many arms is 15-20W watt i checked for another thread few days ago on amazon. and i have no idea about the one in circle but obviously not much Watt as well.

and not only your total Watt is low for a plant that size, but your lights are too far from most of the buds wich decrease even more efficiency. ( and you're with a dilema here, too close they won't spread enough across the whole plant, and too far efficency will decrease too much)

And well it all depend what you expect:

you'll get some buds that you can enjoy to smoke, but don't expect a high yield or appealling big dense and compact buds. your will be stretchy (almost "dr grinspoon" strain alike) airy and larf.

 

[HerbalEdu]

There actually 20-40w led

the only real important thing about your lamp is what i circled in red in previous post:

that they are 9W LED all the rest is neglectable marketting bulshit and details with little impact on plant growth.

what you may have read is that 9W LED replace 20-40W old tech FLUO in term of efficiency ...

here some old charts (post when LED reached the market but before CMH started being a thing), to give you an idea of different light efficiency to each other:

(lumen is another measurement equivalent in some way to ppf)

 

[Coppermike]

ppf is just the measurement of efficience of light emission at a certain distance from the light source, all kind of light will have a different ppf value at different distance from the light source .... LED are more efficent than HPS,MH,CMH, FLUO or incandescent light for exemple, for the same watt, ppf will be higher.

the more you get far from an artificial light source the more ppf value will decrease.

they are definetly not much different than regular everyday led bulb, just slightly different spectrum (most prolly a mix of more 3000K than 5000K leds), that doesn't change that much for the plant ...

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what's important is they are 9W LED wich is not enough. The one with many arms is 15-20W watt i checked for another thread few days ago on amazon. and i have no idea about the one in circle but obviously not much Watt as well.

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you'll get some buds that you can enjoy, most prolly airy and larf, but don't expect big dense and compact buds, you want more light power close to the buds to achieve that result

UPDATE : I’ve added a 4.500 lumen 3000k big sized bulb.. but that was only recently maybe 2 days ago… but yeah.. looking good now. I think it definitely was a lack of light in the beginning of its life.

 

[Coppermike]

ppf is just the measurement of efficience of light emission at a certain distance from the light source, all kind of light will have a different ppf value at different distance from the light source .... LED are more efficent than HPS,MH,CMH, FLUO or incandescent light for exemple, for the same watt, ppf will be higher.

the more you get far from an artificial light source the more ppf value will decrease.

they are definetly not much different than regular everyday led bulb, just slightly different spectrum (most prolly a mix of more 3000K than 5000K leds), that doesn't change that much for the plant ...

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what's important is they are 9W LED wich is not enough. The one with many arms is 15-20W watt i checked for another thread few days ago on amazon. and i have no idea about the one in circle but obviously not much Watt as well.

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you'll get some buds that you can enjoy, most prolly airy and larf, but don't expect big dense and compact buds, you want more light power close to the buds to achieve that resultMy only issue now is if you look on the bottom of the plant, you’ll notice smaller buds.. the main stalk looks nearly done while the lower part looks like it has a ways to go. With white pistils growing more and more, the bud gets fatter and fatter.. but now I see these micro buds.. will they be as good as the main buds?

 

[Coppermike]

A lot of people comment on my plant, thank you so much! But a lot of people think I need more light as opposed to what I have going on as far as a light set up… in reality the guesses of 15 to 20 watts, is incorrect. The one with many arms is 80 W. 20 in each arm, I did research. There is also a single leg vanity light that has both 3000k-6000k, which I obviously have on 3000, it was the only light I started with..Then we have two (growing) LED lights. That are specifically for plants, Then we have a regular 3000k 4.500 Lumen bulb, (which is bigger in size compared to the other grow bulbs) and boy is that thing bright as hell! Ever since the new bulb, admittedly, the bud density grew a lot! I posted updated pictures, so you can see the difference!

 

[Coppermike]

I’d also like to note that objects in the picture may seem smaller than in person.