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UncleRomulus said:
“Flushing” with hydro I would recommend, but not with soil.
I don’t even know why I’m getting into this.
Giving your soil or coco plants just water (without a bunch of runoff, just a c hair) is not flushing. That is fading
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That is considered flushing or leaching when you feed water only.
 
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UncleRomulus said:
“Flushing” with hydro I would recommend, but not with soil.
I don’t even know why I’m getting into this.
Giving your soil or coco plants just water (without a bunch of runoff, just a c hair) is not flushing. That is fading
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I might add that not many people grow in soil, peat mixes and coco are soil-less like hydro.
 
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That is considered flushing or leaching when you feed water only.
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Gonna respectfully disagree with you there as far as semantics go. It’s just not flushing.. it’s not.

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I might add that not many people grow in soil, peat mixes and coco are soil-less like hydro.
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I knew someone would call that. Haha. Yes peat mixes and coco are not soil. You win lol
 
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I’d love to see some pics of y’alls plants fed til chop:)
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Fed Plain water last feeding, other than that they've had at least 200 ppm of nutrients every feed.
 
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Fed Plain water last feeding, other than that they've had at least 200 ppm of nutrients every feed.View attachment 851094 View attachment 851095
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Very nice. Bet it burns super clean by the looks of them.
 
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I flush for the simple reason of removing as much chlorophyll from flower. I personally do not like harshness of flowers that have not had most chlorophyll removed.
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How exactly does this work scientifically? How does one leach chlorophyll by watering/flushing their plant?......
 
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UncleRomulus said:
Gonna respectfully disagree with you there as far as semantics go. It’s just not flushing.. it’s not.


I knew someone would call that. Haha. Yes peat mixes and coco are not soil. You win lol
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Actually, peat and coco mixes are very much soil mixes. The scientific definition for what a soil is has to do with weight and nutrient density. Both Peat and coco classify as soil if you ask an agronomist.
 
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How exactly does this work scientifically? How does one leach chlorophyll by watering/flushing their plant?......
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272810007942
 
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I’d love to see some pics of y’alls plants fed til chop:)
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And the face made when taking a hit of it. Don’t forget that.
 
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And the face made when taking a hit of it. Don’t forget that.
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Haha good stuff.
 
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How exactly does this work scientifically? How does one leach chlorophyll by watering/flushing their plant?......
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I think. I’m no pro but I think you leach the nutes
Then without the nutes the plant can’t produce the chlorophyll it was. then by continuing on during lights on time that chlorophyll is needed for photosynthesis to continue growth. And slowly depleted. At least that’s how I add it up.

Ending in a plant with less stored chlorophyll and nutrients and a cleaner bud. Some things also break down during the dry stage. Remember plant or branch ain’t dead when you cut it it still tries to live.

I think n and chlorophyll run together too. Explains higher n demands in rapid growth.like veg and switch to bloom. More photosynthesis going on. Late bloom less photosynthesis not using nitrogen So have to cut it back or start seeing dark green ( n tox) from the stored n not being used up before it’s refilled.

On subject though Nute companies directions will have you spend extra money.
There is no reason a plant should get the same feed the last week of flower that it gets last week of veg. Then comes the need to use chelates or flushing agents to leach the unused crap from the medium. Then the 2 weeks water is for the plant to use up what’s stored in it continuing photosynthesis to live. Period. Common sense.
Hydro obviously a res swap week or so before harvest will do the same thing. Harder to strip soil than dump water out n use clean.
Again no pro n I could be wrong but
Seems like it just makes sense to me
 
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Why would starving the plants leaves help “clean” the buds of chlorophyl? The plant will move the needed nutrients from the leaves right to the growing flowers. The bud leaves fade last.
 
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Why would starving the plants leaves help “clean” the buds of chlorophyl? The plant will move the needed nutrients from the leaves right to the growing flowers. The bud leaves fade last.
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Yeah it’ll move it to flowers where it’ll get used up
 
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Touché.. en garde!
 
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I think. I’m no pro but I think you leach the nutes
Then without the nutes the plant can’t produce the chlorophyll it was. then by continuing on during lights on time that chlorophyll is needed for photosynthesis to continue growth. And slowly depleted. At least that’s how I add it up.

Ending in a plant with less stored chlorophyll and nutrients and a cleaner bud. Some things also break down during the dry stage. Remember plant or branch ain’t dead when you cut it it still tries to live.

I think n and chlorophyll run together too. Explains higher n demands in rapid growth.like veg and switch to bloom. More photosynthesis going on. Late bloom less photosynthesis not using nitrogen So have to cut it back or start seeing dark green ( n tox) from the stored n not being used up before it’s refilled.

On subject though Nute companies directions will have you spend extra money.
There is no reason a plant should get the same feed the last week of flower that it gets last week of veg. Then comes the need to use chelates or flushing agents to leach the unused crap from the medium. Then the 2 weeks water is for the plant to use up what’s stored in it continuing photosynthesis to live. Period. Common sense.
Hydro obviously a res swap week or so before harvest will do the same thing. Harder to strip soil than dump water out n use clean.
Again no pro n I could be wrong but
Seems like it just makes sense to me
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Bro, drying and curing is for removing chlorophyll from the buds. Until they are alive they need those nutrients for making THC and big buds. They will get it from the nutrients you give them or from the fan leaves. I believe the second is harder on them and they do less well.
 
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Bro, drying and curing is for removing chlorophyll from the buds. Until they are alive they need those nutrients for making THC and big buds. They will get it from the nutrients you give them or from the fan leaves. I believe the second is harder on them and they do less well.
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Yeah I believe the second is how you end up with cleaner bud n that little stress just boosts your thc. But I’m no scientist. Just my opinion.
 
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Yeah it’ll move it to flowers where it’ll get used up
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Thats a theory.
 
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272810007942
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No, I was asking how the stopping of watering stops chlorophyll from forming. That link did not talk about that at all as far as I can tell?

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I think. I’m no pro but I think you leach the nutes
Then without the nutes the plant can’t produce the chlorophyll it was. then by continuing on during lights on time that chlorophyll is needed for photosynthesis to continue growth. And slowly depleted. At least that’s how I add it up.

Ending in a plant with less stored chlorophyll and nutrients and a cleaner bud. Some things also break down during the dry stage. Remember plant or branch ain’t dead when you cut it it still tries to live.

I think n and chlorophyll run together too. Explains higher n demands in rapid growth.like veg and switch to bloom. More photosynthesis going on. Late bloom less photosynthesis not using nitrogen So have to cut it back or start seeing dark green ( n tox) from the stored n not being used up before it’s refilled.

On subject though Nute companies directions will have you spend extra money.
There is no reason a plant should get the same feed the last week of flower that it gets last week of veg. Then comes the need to use chelates or flushing agents to leach the unused crap from the medium. Then the 2 weeks water is for the plant to use up what’s stored in it continuing photosynthesis to live. Period. Common sense.
Hydro obviously a res swap week or so before harvest will do the same thing. Harder to strip soil than dump water out n use clean.
Again no pro n I could be wrong but
Seems like it just makes sense to me
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You guys are confusing chlorophyll role inside the plant, and what it does, with a pre harvest flush.......

Plants have an amazing ability to store energy. If a plant wasn't creating chlorophyll, then it's dead. Not being flushed..... Especially N. N is a mobile element and is stored in the tissue of old leafs that the plant can still access. So unless your plant is pale yellow, it's still up-taking N also.


Think about it. Those guys that garden with only water..... How are they still creating chlorophyll their entire grow? Even in crappy soil?
 
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The atmosphere of the earth is almost 80% nitrogen. All tho the plants can't use it as such there is a predominately nitrogen fixing bacteria in the soil that still processes nitrogen from the air to some extent.
This plant went a month with just plain water in coir and there's still some green left in the plant. So what is 2 weeks of water only really going to do.
 
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