Ecuador landrace

kagyu · Jul 10, 2014

I will try to find out the specific area. When it comes to landrace, nothing is meaningless.... Landrace agriculture allows us to honor our diverse values and come up with creative solutions. Many times I have acquired landrace from good sources but did not have as much information as I would have liked..Peace

Supercharge · Jul 11, 2014

Seamaiden said:
I agree and those microclimates and variabilities in 'terroir' are what make the whole idea exciting! Think about it in terms of species and subspecies, and how heirloom varieties of other plant stuffs are developed. That wouldn't make the term 'landrace' meaningless, it would simply need a bit more refinement, such as... Lago Claro Ecuadoran landrace (I just made Lago Claro up to illustrate the idea), which would speak to that area, just like Burgundy describes a particular wine *and* the region in France where it was developed.

Make sense?

Yes, I would agree with that. I think this is where genetic analyses would come into play, otherwise just as with species, there will be arguments between 'lumpers' and 'splitter'. If everyone can agree that X amount of genetic divergence is necessary for a landrace to be considered a landrace, then this could be used as a benchmark, in conjunction with phenotypic distinction.

This thread really makes me want to hop on a plane and go hunting for 'undiscovered' (yes, tongue firmly in cheek!) landraces around the world. :)

balloon · Jul 11, 2014

great work kagyu!

landraces to me connect us to the past and form a deeper cultural connection to the plants. they are part of our history and its own.

marz · Jul 14, 2014

sweet discussion :)

WeedGod · Jul 14, 2014

Supercharge said:
Yes, I would agree with that. I think this is where genetic analyses would come into play, otherwise just as with species, there will be arguments between 'lumpers' and 'splitter'. If everyone can agree that X amount of genetic divergence is necessary for a landrace to be considered a landrace, then this could be used as a benchmark, in conjunction with phenotypic distinction.

This thread really makes me want to hop on a plane and go hunting for 'undiscovered' (yes, tongue firmly in cheek!) landraces around the world. :)

You could become the Todd carmicheal of mj...nice!

Supercharge · Jul 15, 2014

WeedGod said:
You could become the Todd carmicheal of mj...nice!

LOL if I had the funding I would give it a red hot go.

barefoot · Jul 15, 2014

breeds true for what......................?...................

variance = survival...................

ganj on..............

Seamaiden · Jul 15, 2014

barefoot said:
breeds true for what......................?...................

variance = survival...................

ganj on..............

As true as any heirloom corn or tomato, for local conditions, physical features, growing season?

caveman4.20 · Jul 16, 2014

As long as ladies stay ladies and don't throw nanners I'm happy

Supercharge · Jul 16, 2014

barefoot said:
breeds true for what......................?...................

variance = survival...................

ganj on..............

Variance is closely related to survival, but we're talking cultivated varieties here. For a variety to be considered a variety, it would need to breed true for a specific number of traits - what those traits are obviously depends on any number of factors - but without them, we would not be able to differentiate between any given population as the variability would be so great. The entire purpose of selective breeding is to stabilize desirable traits.

caveman4.20 · Jul 16, 2014

Supercharge said:
Variance is closely related to survival, but we're talking cultivated varieties here. For a variety to be considered a variety, it would need to breed true for a specific number of traits - what those traits are obviously depends on any number of factors - but without them, we would not be able to differentiate between any given population as the variability would be so great. The entire purpose of selective breeding is to stabilize desirable traits.

I understand that side but I love variety and I think other issues are overlooked just like in dogs too tightly bred leaves to major problems I know plants are different but how differ ent ??

Supercharge · Jul 16, 2014

caveman4.20 said:
I understand that side but I love variety and I think other issues are overlooked just like in dogs too tightly bred leaves to major problems I know plants are different but how differ ent ??

I'm 100% for variety. All I was saying is that even with landraces, which have been cultivated, there has to be a number of traits that breed true (on average) for it to even be considered a landrace. Same goes for any of the strains we're familiar with. I'm not saying we ought to breed the shit out of everything to the point that there is no genetic or phenotypic diversity, I'm just explaining that for a landrace/strain/variety to be considered any of the above, they need some identifiable traits that distinguish them from other cultivars. It's no different to considering different species, and so on.

Supercharge · Jul 17, 2014

Monocrops lacking any genetic diversity are a disaster waiting to happen. Just take a look at the cavendish banana. It is the number banana variety globally, out of the 400 odd banana varieties that exist. It is so widely cultivated, that if this variety was to collapse, it would spell disaster and starvation for millions....and yet that's exactly what we expect may happen very soon. Why? Because the entire variety is genetically identical, ie it is a single clone, mass produced. Now there is a disease beginning to wipe it out and there is zero genetic resistance to it as there is zero genetic diversity.

caveman4.20 · Jul 17, 2014

Great thread

SurfdOut · Jul 17, 2014

^^^^ agree. :-)

caveman4.20 · Jul 17, 2014

Well the oldest I've read of marijuana is that human have selectively bred it for the last 10,000 years imagine the variety back then mind boggling!:cigar:

marz · Jul 17, 2014

Imagine what it would have looked like back then! bet it was a scraggly little weed...or at least that buds of it were nothing much to look at..all leaf and no bulk..

caveman4.20 · Jul 17, 2014

Corn is a good example, we selected that crop from grass

Supercharge · Jul 17, 2014

Corn is a grass. So is bamboo. But I get what you're saying.

For all that diversity is preferable, the output of a well grown monocrop can't be denied and as such it is unlikely that agriculture will move away from them entirely. If you find a phenotypically stable variety, or grow with a single clone, you can dial in growing conditions perfectly suited to it. It will outstrip a genetically diverse crop every time, guaranteed. To some degree it is a gamble, due to the inherent lack of disease resistance, but if you get it right, you're laughing. For commercial growers, implementing proper pathogen and disease control methods is a must if wanting to ensure long-term returns.

Pog · Jul 17, 2014

green punk said:
The future and the history.

Neville was workin a dwarf mexi line before he got popped.

It will be cool to see this thread unfold.

Yes, both the future and the history.

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