Emergency Flushing - premature harvest help

[sfzoo]

Hello Farmers,

I've searched for a thread and found one but wasn't very thorough or informative. If there is a better one that i missed, please point me in the right direction.

I'm not debating weather or not i need to flush, clearly it is beneficial. But i've had a run of problems this past week that may lead me to cutting the girls down without flushing..or with minimal flushing at best.



My situation:
I went on out of town for 3 days, left strict instructions for my garden tender. Basically, all to be done was normal feeding at the normal time. No pruning, no flushing, nothing else. It was done fine...

however, i came home to some bananas popping thru my girlies' flowers :fighting0003: They are multiplying daily.
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/IMG_2870.jpg

next, i noticed that i've got some gray or brown mold that is causing budrot on a few chicas...i've saved what i could, it didn't cause too much loss. I'm worried that it'll spread and i'll lose more though.
http://i957.invalid.com/albums/ae53/sfzoo/stadium/IMG_2938.jpg

third, i'm still battling back PM

With these problems converging at the same time, i've decided that i'm goin to harvest sooner than later. Trichs are nearly there, but have no days of flush yet.




Questions:
will curing longer make up for the lack of a flush, thus higher chlorophyll content?

does anyone know of a way to expedite the flushing process? i've picked up final phase and will be hitting th girls with that tonight.

will the bananas seed my crop? or are they relatively harmless?


i've done research before starting this thread. So far as i can tell, the bananas seem to be more of a pain in the ass than a real detriment to harvest. but i'd like to avoid seeding the crop.

:help: Thanks for looking. Please let me know if there is any clarification necessary.

 

[sfzoo]

Found this tutorial on another site...
..would love some opinions on this method.

credit: Mr. Obvious

"Emergency Flushing With a Bubbler".
Now although we all prolly know about this method of flushing,I don't know of any thread that has a pictorial on the process.Well Y'all know Mr.O.,I have brought you the very thing.
Now keep in mind that with this type of flushing,the equipment may be different,but the process is the same.

So what was needed for me,was I PH'ed 4 gal. of water,put that in the bubbler lastnight and plugged the bubbler in.This was to allow the water to be as ariated as possible before the the chop was made.

I had some 10 in. net baskets so I took one and placed a 3/8 in hole in the center most portion of the bottom of the basket.Like this pic.
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-14-43AM_0003.jpg


Here's one last look at her in her pot.lol
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-09-29AM_0002.jpg



Here is the newly drilled basket placed in the bubbler and snapped down tight.
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-15-46AM_0004.jpg


Just a side note for those whom haven't seen my home made bubblers before.I use 4, 5in. stones and a dual output 60-80 gal. pump.I have lots of bubbles..lol.

Ok well heres the part that I'm sure everyone is a bit leery of,"The Chop".lol..I used a pair of very heavy duty cable cutters,that I washed well,and sit in alcohol over night.This step was just to insure I had a clean tool to work with.These cutters are made for cutting "0 Gauge" wire.They go thru battery cables like butter,so I know they would make a nice clean cut.Well is everybody ready? Here we go..
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-16-17AM_0005.jpg



As I suspected,,went thru Like Butter.lol

Here's a nice shot of a very healthy main stem,and the end result of the "CHOP".
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-24-53AM_0012.jpg




Now I took the freshly cut-off plant and went right too the basket with as little delay as possible.
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-18-07AM_0006.jpg




I decided that the water level was too much.I wanted the water level to be just at the point where the Main stem was meeting the basket.So I took a trusty (New) turkey baister and pulled out water to this level.I just didn't want water above the point where the branches were holding the main stem.I have no idea if this was needed,it just made good since too me.lol.Here's the adjusted water level.
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-22-37AM_0008.jpg



This left about 3 1/2 gallons in the bubbler.Should be plenty.

She now sit's in her bubbler for a few days and she should be happy.
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-22-58AM_0009.jpg



One last look with the fan back in place,and she is back under the lights.Bye-Bye pretty little girl..lol
http://i226.invalid.com/albums/dd308/Mr_Obvious_bucket/flushing%20in%20a%20bubbler/1-7-20085-25-21AM_0013.jpg



There we have it fellow Skunkers.Now you have a Tutorial on how to "Emergency Flush Using a Bubbler".
Wasn't that easy,and simple?

 

[ent]

Questions:
will curing longer make up for the lack of a flush, thus higher chlorophyll content?

does anyone know of a way to expedite the flushing process? i've picked up final phase and will be hitting th girls with that tonight.

will the bananas seed my crop? or are they relatively harmless?

Although a proper cure is important it does not substitute for a lack of a flush.

There are products you can use to expedite flushing. I believe clearex is one. Perhaps somebody else can chime in as to how effective they are.

The banana's may or may not be sterile. The working assumption must be that they are viable and could seed a crop. However your plants need to have white pistils and once the pollen hits it, it will take multiple weeks to develop a seed. If you have younger plants in there it is possible they will get seeded. The older ones shown in photos will not get seeded by the time you crop. I'd still pluck the nanners as I see them though.

 

[Green Supreme]

Check the grow for light leaks!!! Peace GS

 

[sfzoo]

The banana's may or may not be sterile. The working assumption must be that they are viable and could seed a crop. However your plants need to have white pistils and once the pollen hits it, it will take multiple weeks to develop a seed. If you have younger plants in there it is possible they will get seeded. The older ones shown in photos will not get seeded by the time you crop. I'd still pluck the nanners as I see them though.

I do appreciate the info. So i'm clear, if i'm to harvest within 7 days after a week of flush, it will be unlikely that i'll have many(if any) seeds in my flowers?

also, when plucking, do i need to take extra care that they don't burst? or is plucking going to be more of an aesthetic thing?

Check the grow for light leaks!!! Peace GS

I appreciate the info, but at this point light leaks isn't my problem. Its the naners and mold, hence the early harvest debate..

for what its worth, there are no light leaks in the room. I made sure of that before i put girls in there.

 

[iscrog4food]

I do appreciate the info. So i'm clear, if i'm to harvest within 7 days after a week of flush, it will be unlikely that i'll have many(if any) seeds in my flowers?

If the plants are hermed then there will likely be seeds. If you see nanners then they are hermed

also, when plucking, do i need to take extra care that they don't burst? or is plucking going to be more of an aesthetic thing?
I would cut them all if they are herming because if you get pollen in your room you could have a lingering problem. no plucking ect.



I appreciate the info, but at this point light leaks isn't my problem. Its the naners and mold, hence the early harvest
I would cut if you see gray mold, or if you have herms. Pm not such a big deal if it is not widespread yet. Next grow treat the underlying problems and not just the symptoms once they appear. goodluck

for what its worth, there are no light leaks in the room. I made sure of that before i put girls in there.

If there are no light leaks then why are they herming?

 

[sfzoo]

^indeed.

in this case, i think while i was away, the pH may have drifted too far. I say this because there was slight yellowing in the fans when I returned...throughout the grow i've had rich greenery, this was the only sign of lockout/deficiency.


I have settled upon the fact that there won't be enough time to develop to many seeds within the last week of flush. So i'll flush normally and cut in a few more days

AN final phase is what i'll be using for the flush, about 5-7 days in coco...maybe less if they flush well.

 

[CanadianClassic]

I would cut all mold and just emergency flush with RO water for a few days and extend your curing time it will take out more clorophyll you dont have many options sadly =( I had to do something similair b4 some of the smoke was a lil harsh but overall not too bad i just flushed over 3 - 4 days tell my run off was in the ppm range of about a 100ppm then cured longer! Dunno if that helps at all good luck! oh ya final flush will add even more chems and harshness to your smoke even if u fully flushed so i wouldnt even use it at all but its your call bro!

 

[DrCALIGREENTHUM]

I would cut all mold and just emergency flush with RO water for a few days and extend your curing time it will take out more clorophyll you dont have many options sadly =( I had to do something similair b4 some of the smoke was a lil harsh but overall not too bad i just flushed over 3 - 4 days tell my run off was in the ppm range of about a 100ppm then cured longer! Dunno if that helps at all good luck! oh ya final flush will add even more chems and harshness to your smoke even if u fully flushed so i wouldnt even use it at all but its your call bro!

well played cut out all the PM for sure above all

Keep It Green-Doc