Extremely resistant spider mite help

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

What's up, guys? I picked up some snips from a guy off discord and got some very persistent mites included in the deal. When I received the clones, they were looking sickly AF. I soaked them in sulfur for 5 min. Then I soaked them in spinosad for a couple minutes, and put them in my cloner in an attempt to save them. That was a stupid thing to do. The snips were so sick that they never rooted, but the mites somehow survived. They infected my cloner, so I nuked everything. NUKED. It almost killed all of my clones, but it did kill the mites. But now I have found them in my flower room. And as I have plants in four different stages of flower, I cannot go nuclear again. How do I kill these without ruining my buds? I'm willing to use systemics if need be. I gotta kill these fuckers before they spread any further.

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

To kill the mites in the cloner, I had to hit them 2x with floramite, 2x with Forbid 4f, 2x with spinosad, 2x with Athena IPM, 1x with Pyganic, 1x with merit 75, and once with azaguard. All within about 10 days. These are some seriously tough bugs.

GGOGZin · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
To kill the mites in the cloner, I had to hit them 2x with floramite, 2x with Forbid 4f, 2x with spinosad, 2x with Athena IPM, 1x with Pyganic, 1x with merit 75, and once with azaguard. All within about 10 days. These are some seriously tough bugs.

Have been dealing with the same in my outdoors, I just ordered some ladybugs

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

Aren't the ladybugs just gonna fly away?

Ps. I also found one of these fuckers on one of my outdoor plants 2 days ago. I hit them all with a foliar spray of Kontos (Spirotetramat)

GGOGZin · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
Aren't the ladybugs just gonna fly away?

Ps. I also found one of these fuckers on one of my outdoor plants 2 days ago. I hit them all with a foliar spray of Kontos (Spirotetramat)

They multiply pretty quick so you’ll want to nip it in the butt. I think a good bunch will fly away but I bought 1500 so I’m sure some will make their home there, as long as they have plenty of food and it’s not too hot/too cold they’ll hang around, and if you don’t have insects/pests on your plants for them to eat you can make a foliar spray with a little honey and water and spray on the leaves to feed them

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

I have used ladybugs indoors with poor results. Mostly just a bunch of dead ladybugs to clean up

GGOGZin · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
I have used ladybugs indoors with poor results. Mostly just a bunch of dead ladybugs to clean up

Spider mites are little shits, and they’re hardy, it’s hard to get rid of them, are you in flower?

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

Yes.

In Minnesota, our local mites are small, slow, weak, and easy to kill. These West Coast spider mites are unlike anything I've ever seen.

GGOGZin · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
Yes.

In Minnesota, our local mites are small, slow, weak, and easy to kill. These West Coast spider mites are unlike anything I've ever seen.

They’re fast too, and the whiter the harder to see in your buds :(

If you weren’t in flower I’d have suggested using a water spray with a small squirt of soft liquid soap water to spray the leaves and make them leave/die but being in flower is a tougher one. It’s not easy to get rid of pests organically except with other bugs.

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

GGOGZin said:
They’re fast too, and the whiter the harder to see in your buds :(

If you weren’t in flower I’d have suggested using a water spray with a small squirt of soft liquid soap water to spray the leaves and make them leave/die but being in flower is a tougher one. It’s not easy to get rid of pests organically except with other bugs.

I'm willing to use cyanide if I can find it. I hate these things.

LoveGrowingIt · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
I hate these things.

I do too! I'm dealing with them now. I started spraying with AgroMagen GrowSafe Bio-Pesticide. Last night was the first application. I killed most of them with hydrogen peroxide and isopropyl alcohol, but I couldn't get them all. I also cut off and destroyed leaves where I saw signs of the mites. I raised the humidity, too. I'm hoping the GrowSafe will finish the job.

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

I have not heard of GrowSafe before. It looks pretty nontoxic. If your spider mites are of the West Coast variety, you're gonna need some bigger guns, I'm afraid.

But let me know if it works on flowering plants without destroying buds.

iluvOG · Sep 6, 2023

People not following the directions on the label of what they’re spraying is why they have gotten so damn tough. Forbid alone should have been enough but if you have introduced them into your flowering room they multiply really quickly especially if it’s hot. They ride in the wind in shit to other plants so the best way to actually get rid of them for good is harvest and clean the piss out of your grow. Get a jeweler loupe or something and check I’m assuming they’re two spotted mites and if they are be prepared to go Mr. Clean because they don’t just go away and are really hard to kill. Good luck

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

Yeah, it's hot. I'm running co2 so I'm in the 86-88°f range. Would cranking up the co2 kill em???

LoveGrowingIt · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
I have not heard of GrowSafe before. It looks pretty nontoxic. If your spider mites are of the West Coast variety, you're gonna need some bigger guns, I'm afraid.

But let me know if it works on flowering plants without destroying buds.

I sprayed last night, and the plants look like they were unaffected. I have a thread about my battle with spider mites. That's where I first heard about GrowSafe.

These spider mites are probably the west coast variety. Spider mites can evolve and adapt, so it's possible to breed super spider mites if they're not killed ASAP. The key, I think, is to use different methods of killing them. Also be sure to kill the eggs.

LoveGrowingIt · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
Yeah, it's hot. I'm running co2 so I'm in the 86-88°f range. Would cranking up the co2 kill em???

I don't know about increasing the CO2. They like hot and dry, so lowering the temperature and raising the RH helps, but probably only slows their rate of reproduction.

Trash_2002 · Sep 6, 2023

F.Dupp said:
To kill the mites in the cloner, I had to hit them 2x with floramite, 2x with Forbid 4f, 2x with spinosad, 2x with Athena IPM, 1x with Pyganic, 1x with merit 75, and once with azaguard. All within about 10 days. These are some seriously tough bugs.

Jesus damn those are tough mites, anything pyrethrin based too? I would, pyrethrin pesticides derived from Chrysanthemum is very effective against mites. 3 or 4 applications 3 days apart each for mites.

Or last case use @Oldchucky method line the plants up outside and blast them with the bullet rounds LOL

Ben.Jamin · Sep 6, 2023

I had a bad infestation of broad mites my past grow bc I bought a couple clones that were infested and didn't see them, they tore through my 20 plants in Flower about 2 weeks before harvest. I picked a bottle of Green Clean, 2 applications, gone no trace haven't seen them since its been six months, so for me Green Clean is very effective. Good luck hope you get rid of those nasty fuckers!

Trash_2002 · Sep 6, 2023

Trash_2002 said:
Jesus damn those are tough mites, anything pyrethrin based too? I would, pyrethrin pesticides derived from Chrysanthemum is very effective against mites. 3 or 4 applications 3 days apart each for mites.

Or last case use @Oldchucky method line the plants up outside and blast them with the bullet rounds LOL

Very important to get two full spider mites life cycles with a treatment (~12days).

Also a quarantine space if you get clones from outside far away from the clean growing area is paramount and mandatory. Always.

F.Dupp · Sep 6, 2023

LoveGrowingIt said:
I don't know about increasing the CO2. They like hot and dry, so lowering the temperature and raising the RH helps, but probably only slows their rate of reproduction.

I looked into it. You have to increase the CO2 to ridiculous numbers. My CO2 controller only reaches 2000ppm. I guess I need a minimum of 12,000 PPM. I'm in a 26x30 room with 12 ft high ceilings. Not a tent. So it's tough to pull that off.

Trash_2002 said:
Jesus damn those are tough mites, anything pyrethrin based too? I would, pyrethrin pesticides derived from Chrysanthemum is very effective against mites. 3 or 4 applications 3 days apart each for mites.

Or last case use @Oldchucky method line the plants up outside and blast them with the bullet rounds LOL

I used pyganic on the plants that were in the cloner. It did help wipe them out, but I can't use that in flower. It's oil based, and pretty nasty.

Ben.Jamin said:
I had a bad infestation of broad mites my past grow bc I bought a couple clones that were infested and didn't see them, they tore through my 20 plants in Flower about 2 weeks before harvest. I picked a bottle of Green Clean, 2 applications, gone no trace haven't seen them since its been six months, so for me Green Clean is very effective. Good luck hope you get rid of those nasty fuckers!

I originally thought that he had given me broad mites as well as spider mites. They may have been nymph stage Spider mites, but they looked like broad mites. That's why I went full on nuclear times 10. Do you have pics of your broad mites, or their damage?

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