(Fatman's) DIY nutrient mixing guide

[Donkdbz]

Dutch Master Gold One is round the same as Canna Aqua Veg at 6ml/gallon

 

[budboy299]

Love to figure out this one as well....Gro-tek Pro-Silicate 0-0-3

according the their website it is actually 0-0-3.8 (UK version it appears as this)

4 Litres = 4.2 kgs for a density of 1.05

Their MSDS sheet says that it is comprised of Comprised of Potassium Silicate 20-30%
Potassium Chloride 1-5%

I would guess that they go for 25% Potassium Silicate and then adjust the last bit with Potassium chloride to get to the 3.8% reading of Potassium

I keep trying hydrobuddy but for some reason for me it will not register any potassium silicate quantities for me.

hydro-gardens has potassium silicate for 19.00/gallon at 26.5% SiO2

this one I am stuck on!!!!

 

[budboy299]

oh and it is used at a rate of 5ml/gallon...

so it lasts a loooong time.

 

[Crysmatic]

oh and it is used at a rate of 5ml/gallon...

so it lasts a loooong time.

there must be a link broken in hydro buddy...i get the same result.

i found 0-0-3.8 is 44 ppm K. then i went to 'salts to formulations' tab, played around, and found that 8.6 g of potassium silicate in 100L water gives 44 ppm K and 16 ppm Si.

your 26.5% pure potassium silicate is required at a rate of 8.6g / 0.265 = 32.45 g in 100L water.

the potassium chloride raises K, while lowering Si. i'd forget about it completely, and just adjust your base fertilizer for the added K.

 

[budboy299]

I had the same thoughts about the potassium chloride. If it were only a tiny amount they use to tweak the potassium....99% of ppl already have more than enough potassium in their mixes.

 

[Crysmatic]

Dutch Master Gold Nutrient

DM Gold:
NPK-CaMgS
4-3-9-1.5-1-1.2
week 1: 254-83-475-95-64-76
week 2: 322-105-602-121-81-97
week 3-6: 382-125-713-143-95-114
Fe 0.29 B 0.1 Mn 0.01 Zn 0.1 Cu 0.1 Mo 0.1
week 7: 170-56-317-64-42-51

Add .27
P 2%
K 2%
Zn 0.002%
week 1-8: 0-28-53 0.06ppm Zn

Silica
K 2%
Mn 0.001%
week 1-8: 0-0-10.5, 0.01 Mn, ~3.8 ppm Si

Zone
N 0.06%
K 0.15%
S 0.06%
Cu 0.01%
week 1-8: 0.25-0-0.5, 0.25 S, 0.04 Cu

DM Gold + Add .27 + Silica:
NPK-CaMgS
week 1: 254-111-539-95-64-76 (4-4-10.2)
week 2: 322-133-666-121-81-97 (4-3.8-10)
week 3-6: 382-153-777-143-95-114 (4-3.7-9.8)
Fe 0.29 B 0.1 Mn 0.02 Zn 0.16 Cu 0.14 Mo 0.1
week 7: 170-84-381-64-42-51 (4-4.5-10.8)

it's virtually the same as power flower 2-2-5 all the way through! i'm surprised how low the micros are.

 

[squarepusher]

DM Gold:
NPK-CaMgS
4-3-9-1.5-1-1.2
week 1: 254-83-475-95-64-76
week 2: 322-105-602-121-81-97
week 3-6: 382-125-713-143-95-114
Fe 0.29 B 0.1 Mn 0.01 Zn 0.1 Cu 0.1 Mo 0.1
week 7: 170-56-317-64-42-51

Add .27
P 2%
K 2%
Zn 0.002%
week 1-8: 0-28-53 0.06ppm Zn

Silica
K 2%
Mn 0.001%
week 1-8: 0-0-10.5, 0.01 Mn, ~3.8 ppm Si

Zone
N 0.06%
K 0.15%
S 0.06%
Cu 0.01%
week 1-8: 0.25-0-0.5, 0.25 S, 0.04 Cu

DM Gold + Add .27 + Silica:
NPK-CaMgS
week 1: 254-111-539-95-64-76 (4-4-10.2)
week 2: 322-133-666-121-81-97 (4-3.8-10)
week 3-6: 382-153-777-143-95-114 (4-3.7-9.8)
Fe 0.29 B 0.1 Mn 0.02 Zn 0.16 Cu 0.14 Mo 0.1
week 7: 170-84-381-64-42-51 (4-4.5-10.8)

it's virtually the same as power flower 2-2-5 all the way through! i'm surprised how low the micros are.

I think you might be oversimplying their products a bit? And damn, they run 3.5 EC :sign0065:
thats crazy, but

Those products (the additives) seem to be more than just NPK


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cytoplasmic streaming? amino acids, minerals etc... seems to be a bit complicated, not to mention their other additives, besides POtash+ which loos fairly easy

 

[MeJuana]

Weird I put 1 gram Potassium Silicate and it works right? It won't take the 1 gram and mix that though now it went .55 grams for 1 ppm I think on the calc results.. funny

Under NUTRIENT SALTS "mass of salts g" as if you would to do a manual addition. Put 1 gram in there then put 1 PPM under silicate and calculate it.. Maybe I am just looking at it wrong version .098

 

[budboy299]

I've been looking at these ppls products...



all the data I have seen so far seems to base their info off research stating the levels of 100ppm of silicon is best for crops. I can understand the theory of the benefit of silicon in hydroponics as it is totally non-existant in any nute formulas I have ever come across. Soil contains a fair bit but hydro has none. Quite alot of good research on it.

anyhow....that place is one of the only places that will actually give you the read out on their products as to the percentages of silicon, potassium and water in their stuff.
Also they have an anhydrous powder that I am particularily interested in, if it can be bought at a reasonable size and price.

28.4% potassium
71% silicon
.6% is insoluble stuff (quartz dust, etc)

just waiting to hear from them on this stuff

 

[budboy299]

their anhydrous powder works out to a ratio 39.76:100 potassium to silicon

Pro-tekt works out to 47.3:100 potassium to silicon

Gro-tek is slightly higher due to them adding potassium chloride to increase potassium, which we should not need to do, as our formulas already contain adequate potassium levels.

getting closer....

 

[Crysmatic]

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honestly. there's nothing new about fertilizers, and very little differentiation between competitors...and they need to dazzle you in order to justify their 500%+ mark-ups. cytoplasmic streaming?! honestly. just like doctors and lawyers have invented their own jargon to make them seem smarter than you, give themselves credibility, and get your money. period. but that's just my opinion.

 

[MeJuana]

Well said Crysmatic... I got off on researching some of what they said, this has nothing to do specifically with it but check this site out
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/cytoskeleton.html

Budboy really interested in your findings on what and where you bought. I might follow right behind you.

 

[MeJuana]

AN uses very high quality nutrients, acids, chelated micros... but if these things were needed for better crop production why isn't it already available in the US one of the largest exporters of crop related items?

I was on this stupid kick lately I been looking at over seas sites at chelated micros, high quality aminos and etc.. I was thinking man I could order all this shit and sell it, which I could do that I bet you guys but I would be AN.. Advertising high price unnecessary crap

I am not going to argue the obvious fact that higher grade materials are in fact smaller/more easily absorbed and I even see some argument for steady trace silicate to get into all cells period and nitrogen delivery concepts intrigue me.. Other than that where's the mystery.. I bought Botanicare Silca blast today as opposed to Rhine Skin at over twice the price though.. (Needed silicate now, can't find it online)

Finally I realize plants don't need vitamins and I am not saying they will not be picked up. I am saying they are not damn needed for a phyto life form, since you cant blindly put vitamins in there hoping to sponsor a bacteria it is pointless. Unless it is in preparation to buffer an added bacteria from their line, to buffer this products aminos to not be eaten or some shit for example. Who knows why they aren't forth coming.

Hopefully my post makes sense AN is all over the place and I am trying to think it through. I think AN, Dutch Masters and etc have done their homework I want to figure out what they really know.. Bet fatman has the true analysis on all AN shit too :( I so wish he was still here... So my point is what parts of what they uses truly make sense, why isn't it used commercially to a large enough extent to make these chemicals available here in the U.S.

sorry for long post, word

 

[skwirlgirl]

I could ask Fatman about AN but I think everyone knows he despises AN and every thing about them. I really don't want to get barked at. I talked to him this morning and he was very cheery...don't want to upset a sleeping dog

He's all about MIXING YOUR OWN nutes so whenever I quiz him about stuff like analysis of GH and Connie' or whatever it kinda bugs him. He tells me the answers but I know it bugs him. AN is a different story. He hates the stuff. First off not all of their products have garaunteed analysis on the labels...

 

[MeJuana]

Please do not ask him I cherish him not hating me.. :) I already have some negative points for how I grow, but I am copying his way soon.. I was just down for idle conversation on high grade materials. I do wish he was still here though if he was I would probably not even be thinking anything about AN but just following him.. I am torn between running his veg recirc 5/2010 or trying to mock AN

 

[dusty]

Instead of trying to rip off shit like AN which is marketed directly to pot growers to take their money it seems like using HydroBuddy and the information Fat Man shared with ya'll to use the highest quality fewest most compatible combination of minerals to get to the end results would be the ideal goal

 

[MeJuana]

I apologize that I don't see it as me ripping them off because they do not honestly list their ingredients from what I see. Trying to guess at what others are doing is age old. I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone

 

[dusty]

That's my point...unless you are workin for AN you won't ever actually know what is going on, so instead of stabbing in the dark, you could just put something together that gives you the ratio you want with the best combination of inputs..just my opinion and like you, no disrespect inteded

 

[kuz]

Instead of trying to rip off shit like AN which is marketed directly to pot growers to take their money it seems like using HydroBuddy and the information Fat Man shared with ya'll to use the highest quality fewest most compatible combination of minerals to get to the end results would be the ideal goal

People mixing their own just dont talk about it much, people using commercial blends like to compare what they do with others so they offer useful info. It would have taken me 20 years to run all the grows I've read through.

Its not just AN I want to rip off, how about Canna Aqua. How does Heath Robinson run without p/k boosters, only 1.3 ec, and still gets the yields. I think canna aqua is 1-1.3-3. Since he doesnt use the boosters its easy to see what the ppms are. Lot less N than fatman. At 12ml per gallon I get 95-55-237, no mg and 45 Ca, so I guess its supposed to be used with tap?
Could that be all you really need?

I plan to start with something like canna aqua numbers, I think fatman would approve.

 

[doja_king]

Geez I never knew the fatman had such an effect,. I bumped heads with him too but if u manage to get passed it he is actually helpful, giving specific info on any question one asked, I actually liked the dude.
I was also of the opinion that he copy n pasted at first, but hes legit with the info imho.

Great compiliation of info on the farm, ive only checked 2 threads so far and got stuck on both.