Feminized bean turned out to be a male.

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So I flipped my 7 week veged OGR WIFIs (3) and Fire Aliens (4) on July 1. Had them sharing a tray with my SFVs so I could keep em under one light rather than run 2 in the crazy heat we've been having.

Last night I decided since they were so crowded to separate them and run 2 lights. When I placed one of the Fire Aliens I noticed it had balls!!! I couldn't believe it. I was in shock! :sign0065: Wish I had a spare to fill his void...

Has this happened to any of you? I heard it can happen, but never thought it would happen to me.

So, does anyone in Socal want a healthy OGR Fire alien dude? He's just kickin it in the garage. I'm gonna chuck him tomorrow if I don't get any responses.
 
Chronic Monster

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I personally havn't had the greatest luck with fem seeds in general. Have got some good keepers and such but I always seem to get at least 2 males out of a 10 pack of fems.. Im sure there are a lot of variables that come into play.. def sucks though!

My first time ever growing fem seeds, two of the the seed were freaking monsters( I thought that was going to have some great monster pheno keeper, they both turned out to be a male:mad0233:

I generally sex my plants now just to make sure:)
 
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Wow...where are you guys getting your seeds?
That shouldnt happen unless the person making the beans started with hermies and stressed them into making beans..instead of doing it right.

I suppose there's a chance of making some hermies using silver but...hmm
 
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My fem seeds didn't hermie, they were straight male.
I have gotten fem seeds from numerous clubs out in cali, and also got some fem seeds on a trip to amsterdam a few years back..
every 10 pack has had at least 2 males.
 
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Ive had one fem Chemdog 91 seeds go male. He was runty, and barely produced any pollen sacks. I dont know about you but if the male was worth a shot, I couldnt resist pollinating a few wifi Girls with him. I hope u didnt toss em..?
 
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LOL. Fire Alien Kush arent feminised seeds. They are standard seeds..~ogr
 
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LOL. Fire Alien Kush arent feminised seeds. They are standard seeds..~ogr

WTF does HE know?? lmfao.

So OGR...if you use silver to make pollen from a TRUE female..what percentage of male beans will you get if you use that pollen to fertilize itself or another TRUE female?
I havent purchased thousands of femmed beans from recognized breeders but I've never seen a femmed pack of seeds make any males.

If feminized seed packs produce 20% or more males...what's the point?

Thanks for stopping-in and clearing the air OGR

PEACE
 
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LOL. Fire Alien Kush arent feminised seeds. They are standard seeds..~ogr

:giggle

WTF does HE know?? lmfao.

So OGR...if you use silver to make pollen from a TRUE female..what percentage of male beans will you get if you use that pollen to fertilize itself or another TRUE female?
I havent purchased thousands of femmed beans from recognized breeders but I've never seen a femmed pack of seeds make any males.

If feminized seed packs produce 20% or more males...what's the point?

Thanks for stopping-in and clearing the air OGR

PEACE

It's like less than 2% for a boy to pop from a well propagated femmed pack. I've popped over a hundred femmed beans and yet to get a hermi or boy.
 
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ograskal

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I've also never seen a male pop up from fem seeds yet and I've grown quite a few. I have seen a couple of hermies though. Not Full blown hermeis but ones that pop out a few nanners here and there under the bottom of the buds usually on the lower half of the plant...~ogr
 
Chronic Monster

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hmmm maybe im doing something assbackwards to have that kind of luck.. As a breeder im sure you have popped 1000s more seeds than me..

Ogr,

I read this awhile back... any thoughts/ BS?

"Courtesy of Dutch Passion"

In November 1998 we introduced our "Female Cannabis Seed". We did this after our own experiments showed that from female seed, we acquired almost 100% female off-spring.

In the meantime we are six months further on . We have received a lot of feed-back from our customers. The reactions are mostly positive, clients who have successfully produced almost 100% female off-spring. However there have been reactions from customers who found a few hermaphrodites or males plants. Apparently environmental influences affect the sex of the female seeds as well. Because of the fact that Female seeds do not grow into female plants under all circumstances, we changed the name from "Female Cannabis Seeds" into "Feminised Cannabis Seeds".

From literature and from our own findings it appears that the growth of a male or a female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes, also depends on various environmental factors. Not only the origination of entirely male or female plants is partly affected by these environmental factors, the number of male and female flowers on a hermaphrodite plant is affected as well. The environmental factors that influence the sex of the plant (or the flower in the case of hermaphrodites), are among other things:

The quantity of nitrogen and potassium of the seedbed.
Humidity and moistness of the seedbed.
Level of temperatures.
Colour of the light used.
Length of daylight.
Stress, any form of stress, makes that more male individuals will originate from seed. Even the taking of cuttings from female plants may produce male or hermaphrodite cuttings.
To optimise the result, changes in one or more of the above-mentioned environmental factors for a certain period during growth, may be applied. During this time these environmental factors will deviate from the standard growing system for maximum harvest and quality, as described in nursery literature. The desired change(s) in the environmental factor(s) are started from the moment that the seedling has three pairs of real leaves (not counting the seed-lobes). This is the moment that male and/or female predisposition in florescence is being formed. After approximately two weeks the standard growing system can be reconverted to.
Of the 5 above-mentioned environmental factors the first three are the most practical:

1. Level of nitrogen and potassium of the seedbed: A heightening of the standard level of nitrogen makes for more female plants originating from the seeds. A lowering of the nitrogen level shows more male plants. A heightening of the level of potassium tends to show more male plants, while a lowering of the potassium level shows more female plants. A combination of a higher nitrogen level for the period of a week or two and a lowering of the potassium level is recommended.
2. Humidity and moistness of the seedbed: a higher humidity makes for an increase in the number of female plants from seed, a lowering for an increase in male plants. The same is valid for the moistness of the seedbed.
3. Level of temperatures: lower temperatures make for a larger number of female plants, higher temperatures for more male plants.
4. Colour of light: more blue light makes for female plants from seed, more red light makes for more male plants.
5. Hours of daylight: few hours of daylight (e.g. 14 hours) makes for more female individuals, a long day (e.g. 18 hours) makes for more male plants. *


Now let me just make a few adjustments here to this. You can do whatever you want to your plants in seedling stage and early vegetative stage of growth and it will not effect your final male to female ratios. The time when things should be near perfect is in or around the 3rd to 4th week of vegetative growth. This is the CRITICAL TIME for getting those female ratios up and up. I realized this clearly when noticing how some plants hermed because of problems that occurred around this period of the plants development. If the problems occurred before this time - no herms. So for this reason I surmised that this is when the crucial gender selection is made by the plant. Now I believe that the genders are set in the seed however the environment has a massive impact on how this is expressed in the final phenotypic expression of the plants gender. There are probably many genes that govern this, however lets get into how to up these female ratios.

At the 3rd to 4th week of vegetative growth make sure that your plants are free from stress. No pests attacks, no fungi attacks, no mold, no irregular photoperiod, not underwatered, not overwatered, not pruned or topped, a cannabis friendly soil mix, not recently transplanted, no small pots. If have these basic growing conditions under control then we can move onto the real forces of female production from standard seeds.

N:K and nutrients. What this simply boils down to is that you have the right nutrients present in the right ratios. A nutrient formulation that has roughly equal parts N, P and K is great but if the P levels go up or the N levels go down you are starting to look at a flowering type food for cannabis. If you do this then your odds of producing mostly females is greatly decreased. Make sure that you get those N, P and K levels to almost run from higher to lower amounts from N to P and K. I have noticed that equal portions of N to P an K can help with the female ratios but the higher N is certainly more helpful. So around the 3rd of 4th week of growth make sure that the ratios are good and that P or K has not gone above the N and P or else more males will occur. Obviously this means to avoid overfeeding your plants around this time too.

Never let your medium dry out completely around the 3rd to 4th week of vegetative growth. If you make sure to water occasionally, but not to overwater your plants, you will get those female ratios on the up and up. Overwatering or drying out of the medium will only produce more males. For consistent results in getting more females keeps those mediums moist.

Humidity. Now this is the tricky one. High humidity levels only promote fungi and mold development and lowering humidity levels is the way to cure most of this rot but by keeping those humidity levels up in or around the 70 rH factor will help to produce more females. If you have a low humidity grow room then you should get to hold of a humidifier. Now high humidity levels like 70rH cause the medium to dry out a lot quicker so you got to keep this under control too. Keep those mediums moist and those rH levesl at 70. This will help to improve those female to male ratios. Again, getting them on the up and up.

If you run the 24/0 photoperiod then do not allow those temps to go anywhere above 85 unless you have an equatorial strain. 75 is the best but going a little lower is not a problem for helping those female ratios. If you can get in at around 65 then those females are going to be popping up all over the place. The problem with this is that some growers like to use the 18/6 photoperiod and when the lights are off the temps drop from around 65 to 50 and even less. Try not to be below 55 because this has the adverse effect on the plants producing more males than females. Again between 65 and 75 is where you want to be during the 3rd to 4th week of vegetative growth, the preference being 70.

Invest in a MH Light for vegetative growth. Dump the HPS bulb for flowering later. I have noticed that HPS lighting during vegetative growth simply sends those males to female ratios all over the place. With MH lamps the females are everywhere. Invest in some MH HID lights. It makes all the difference in getting those females to show more often. This is worth repeating! MH Bulbs produce more females under optimal conditions especially if they are present during the 3rd and 4th week of vegetative growth. Surprising enough you can start seedlings under HPS and it will not have an effect on those female ratios. Again the 3rd to 4th week of vegetative growth is what is important here.

No stress during the 3rd to 4th week of vegetative growth. That is all there is to it. If you got your garden growing in optimal conditions without plant stress then the impressive 90% to 95% females start to emerge from standard seed packs. I find that topping is best done at the second to third week of vegetative growth but that this is a little stressful and can lead to those female ratios dropping again. Avoid topping or pruning if you are looking to up the female count.

That is all I have to say for the moment. These little snippets of information in conjunction with what DP uncovered have helped my female ratios considerably. Hopefully you can see the same results too. Have fun getting those environments optimal for females.
 
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ive grown out lots of feminised beans over the years and had a few males show up dont no why but some times you get lucky which i dont have much of lately by the way ograskal hit me up brother hope your well mate
 
Chronic Monster

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I grew out some of your white urkles last year, didn't get any males..
Im wondering if its the quality of your seeds are better than what I had previously gotten.. Or possibly its because I have been growing awhile but gradually getting better over the years.
I remember the first supposedly fem seeds I got was a 10 back of fem blueberry out in cali like 5 years ago, think it was like 40-50 $ which is kinda on the cheaper side of things. maybe my inexperience had an effect as well if that article hold any validity, your likely a much better grower than me, so maybe thats why you never gotten any males?
Im stratching my head over here....

when you make fem seeds, do you use the silver method ORG :wondering

thanks for the input :joint:
 
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Hell no...I was JOKING when I said wtf does HE know..
Now that I re-read it...it almost looked like I was being a dick to him. I wasnt. I'm sure glad that OGR recognized my kidding.
If anyone knows..it's ogr.

PEACE
 
OGONLY

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NGC idiots

Yet another f-up by NGC. They told us the beans were feminized. Shit I guess I'm lucky to have gotten 3 outof 4 females.

I'm sure I read that the WIFIs are femed. All 3 of mine are unquestionably HOT bitches. One of my Fire aliens is an olympian athlete, she is 40% bigger than all the others. She roots faster, smells better and is Alien leaning.

Hey OGR, I never meant you any disrespect. I'm nothing but impressed with your work thus far. Can't wait to see what all the fuss is about.

Heres a pic of my boy if you all care to see him. He's fire leaning no? Up for grabs.
 
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Oh man. Nice stud bro... Glad to hear you have some destined keepers so far. At least you caught the male before it mated with your Hot ass WifIs... Speaking of which, you still planing on making that journal bro? I would love to see your WiFis and FireAliens rocking.. Proly not much to show yet I guess.. ~ODB~
 
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You ask you receive G.O.D.

O.D.B. I might find the energy to journal my girls. They are a lovely bunch. Have a WIFI that comes with 3 nodes per set rather than 2. Not sure that is a good thing in the end but its kind of cool. That 3 node deal didn't transfer to the babies however. She happens to be the only one sensitive to nutes. No tip burn but kind of curls up on the end of some and down on others. Then there's Fire alien#4. Can't keep that bzixch down. Chopping limbs every night so she doesn't take over the tray.

Got 2 layers of netting up tonight. No more bottle feeding as of tomorrow they drink from the wand. So sick of mixing gallon bottles.
 
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When I 1st seen his thread I almost shitted my pants.. I thought u were the luckiest guy on earth.. I thought u found a boy White Fire from the White Fire Fem seeds.. Damn that would of been the shit Dog.. That's mega funny that u thought the Fire Aliens were Fem.. OGR used a Fire leaning male from the Fire Aliens 2 make his Fire BX.. Funny Shit
 
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