First time having twisted leaves like this

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

Soil- FF Ocean Forest
Nutes- 3 part general hydroponics
Lights- marshydro t1000 and kingbrite 288 QB in 4x4 tent set 16-24" away.
Temps- lights on 83 lights off 77
Seeds- Elev8 Gorilla Cookies

Edit: watering ph is 6.2 runoff is 6.1

Newer top growth is starting to twist and curl a little bit on 2 plants.

Noticed a couple of bite spots from bugs.
I have scoped all plants and found 5 thrips. I used Jack's as foliar and also some sns 209 for a drench 3 times.

No more bugs on scope. 1 week goes by after that, and newer growth starts this shit on me.
Also to note, I had just added kingbrite led to tent 2 days after twisting started.

Scoped roots and didn't see anything but white healthy roots.

OldSmokie76 · Sep 4, 2020

Bitters420 said:
Soil- FF Ocean Forest
Nutes- 3 part general hydroponics
Lights- marshydro t1000 and kingbrite 288 QB in 4x4 tent set 16-24" away.
Temps- lights on 83 lights off 77
Seeds- Elev8 Gorilla Cookies

Edit: watering ph is 6.2 runoff is 6.1

Newer top growth is starting to twist and curl a little bit on 2 plants.

Noticed a couple of bite spots from bugs.
I have scoped all plants and found 5 thrips. I used Jack's as foliar and also some sns 209 for a drench 3 times.

No more bugs on scope. 1 week goes by after that, and newer growth starts this shit on me.
Also to note, I had just added kingbrite led to tent 2 days after twisting started.

Scoped roots and didn't see anything but white healthy roots.

I have some twist and taco curl going on also. Gonna hang around for this one if you don't mind.

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

OldSmokie76 said:
I have some twist and taco curl going on also. Gonna hang around for this one if you don't mind.

I had tacoing before, and it was from heat stress.

chemistry · Sep 4, 2020

Could be the Jack's foliar and the sns 209.

Aqua Man · Sep 4, 2020

OldSmokie76 said:
I have some twist and taco curl going on also. Gonna hang around for this one if you don't mind.

This looks like russet mites. Have you scoped your leaves?

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

chemistry said:
Could be the Jack's foliar and the sns 209.

I have used these before, without any issue. I have 7 other plants (3 Gorilla Cookies, 3 mystery freebies, and 2 autoflowers.) and and only 2 of the Gorilla Cookies are showing this.

Aqua Man · Sep 4, 2020

Bitters420 said:
I have used these before, without any issue. I have 7 other plants (3 Gorilla Cookies, 3 mystery freebies, and 2 autoflowers.) and and only 2 of the Gorilla Cookies are showing this.

I would start looking at temps, wind and RH.

It kinda looks like a touch of all 3 combined.

Its may be a touch of light stress too. Because of the previous. The plant may be trying to reduce light capture.

Beachwalker · Sep 4, 2020

Aqua Man said:
This looks like russet mites. Have you scoped your leaves?

+1

Twisted new growth = check for mites first

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

Aqua Man said:
I would start looking at temps, wind and RH.

It kinda looks like a touch of all 3 combined.

Its may be a touch of light stress too. Because of the previous. The plant may be trying to reduce light capture.

Beachwalker said:
+1

Twisted new growth = check for mites first

When lights come on in about an hour, I will check again.

Moshmen · Sep 4, 2020

Some of the auto flowering strains have seen twisted leaves from to much food as well, but mites are still #1 just got rid of them myself (spinosad) thanks DB worked great!

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

Moshmen said:
Some of the auto flowering strains have seen twisted leaves from to much food as well, but mites are still #1 just got rid of them myself (spinosad) thanks DB worked great!

These are photoperiod. My 2 autos are only (1) 1 week and (1) 4 days and not showing these signs.

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

Beachwalker said:
+1

Twisted new growth = check for mites first

So, I checked almost every single leaf in my tent. Only came across 4 dead bugs, no live. Hopefully the sns209 and Jack's did the trick, but why would the new growth still be twisting if bugs are dead?
Checked around roots and found nada.

MIMedGrower · Sep 4, 2020

Bitters420 said:
Soil- FF Ocean Forest
Nutes- 3 part general hydroponics
Lights- marshydro t1000 and kingbrite 288 QB in 4x4 tent set 16-24" away.
Temps- lights on 83 lights off 77
Seeds- Elev8 Gorilla Cookies

Edit: watering ph is 6.2 runoff is 6.1

Newer top growth is starting to twist and curl a little bit on 2 plants.

Noticed a couple of bite spots from bugs.
I have scoped all plants and found 5 thrips. I used Jack's as foliar and also some sns 209 for a drench 3 times.

No more bugs on scope. 1 week goes by after that, and newer growth starts this shit on me.
Also to note, I had just added kingbrite led to tent 2 days after twisting started.

Scoped roots and didn't see anything but white healthy roots.

First lower light levels while they are showing stress. The added light makes it all progress faster.

You didnt say what you fed and what ec in and out. the ph being lower is an indication of too much nutes sometimes although 1 point isnt much off yet.

MIMedGrower · Sep 4, 2020

Moshmen said:
Some of the auto flowering strains have seen twisted leaves from to much food as well, but mites are still #1 just got rid of them myself (spinosad) thanks DB worked great!

Sensitive plants in general. I too am thinking nutes. But there are spots and squiggles on some leaves.

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

MIMedGrower said:
First lower light levels while they are showing stress. The added light makes it all progress faster.

You didnt say what you fed and what ec in and out. the ph being lower is an indication of too much nutes sometimes although 1 point isnt much off yet.

I currently am without an ec pen. Mine took a crap on me 3 weeks ago and 4 of the local grow stores have been out. Ph is on low end just because I have been used to feeding between 6.2 and 6.6.
I am doing a light feeding schedule of (GH) armourSi-1ml, calimagic-4ml, micro-2ml, grow-3ml, and bloom-1ml per gallon.
That is the lowest I usually go. Plus you know being in OF has plenty of nutes for a few weeks. These were recently transplanted 2 weeks ago, as well.

Bitters420 · Sep 4, 2020

I am doing a feed, water, water with recharge, feed. Water about every 3 days.

MIMedGrower · Sep 4, 2020

Bitters420 said:
I currently am without an ec pen. Mine took a crap on me 3 weeks ago and 4 of the local grow stores have been out. Ph is on low end just because I have been used to feeding between 6.2 and 6.6.
I am doing a light feeding schedule of (GH) armourSi-1ml, calimagic-4ml, micro-2ml, grow-3ml, and bloom-1ml per gallon.
That is the lowest I usually go. Plus you know being in OF has plenty of nutes for a few weeks. These were recently transplanted 2 weeks ago, as well.

I am guessing of course but i think the cal mag is excessive. Especially with fresh even 2 week old ocean forest. I got twisty leaves leading to spots and stripes every time i fed too early in of. And i never needed extra cal mag but i use well water. So maybe too early on the feed too?

Without a meter its hard to know.

Beachwalker · Sep 4, 2020

Beachwalker said:
+1

Twisted new growth = check for mites first

Ne

Bitters420 said:
When lights come on in about an hour, I will check again.

If no mites; you added a light, I would turn down, raise or possibly shut the new light off and watch new growth

OldSmokie76 · Sep 5, 2020

Aqua Man said:
This looks like russet mites. Have you scoped your leaves?

No scope but i do see cluster of white spots. Feeding points of spider mites I thought. Approx two weeks and 3 Dr Zymes treatments and still a few random clusters. The heat stress makes some sense as they are within 12" of light. I raised and dimmed the light to 75%. Veg not showing any spots but taco leaves. Russets you say? Flower tent still has the spots.

Bitters420 · Sep 5, 2020

I dimmed the new qb to around 25%. I had it just over 50%. Hopefully, that will help.

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