Observationist said:

Few people here have been recommending safers

I have not used it but some will chime in surely eventually

Cheers

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Oldchucky said:

I used it on smaller plants. Say, 6 to 12 inch that I saw A few pests getting started and the plants took about a week to recover so be careful. I wouldn’t use it unless I could rinse it off with water after about an hour. I don’t like the soap type concoctions for IPM. I use pure crop 1 For IPM and the plants love it. Just my experience. Good luck!

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Oldchucky said:

I wouldn’t hesitate. But my humidity around here is like 15%. So pick a day with a lower humidity if you can. Or a breezy day. It’s kind of fun too Hose them down and then come back and see how they have recovered. Makes them seem more human! L O L

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Lockeboxgrows said:

Quick version: is this safe to spray on my plants Indoors while the lights are off?

So basically I want to get into ipm.
I've used diatomaceous earth on the soil and perimeter of my tent, as well as wiping the tent walls and floor with neem oil from time to time.
Recently my work went from 7 days a week to 6 so now I have a little more time to get involved.
I bought this spray a while back but haven't been able to use it conveniently yet because the lights are off while I'm at work and on when I'm home.
Now that I have one day I week where I can spray the plants down without the lights on, I'm considering doing it but cautious.
Has anyone ever used this stuff on plants before? Safer brand insect killing soap
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bighempn said:

I don’t have first had experience with that particular one but if you want a great ipm option that won’t hurt your plants and is natural, try plant therapy. Other things I like to use are micronized wettable sulfur powder. You have to be careful when using sulfur powder because it can harm your plants(burns holes in leaves) if you use too much. Sulfur powder will put the hurt on any sort bodied insects like thrips, broad/ russet mites, spider mites etc, and it also knocks out any PM trying to set up shop. FYI, DO NOT EVER SPRAY SULFUR IN FLOWER. Buds will smell and taste of it. Another good ipm is amazing doctor zymes. Again, great for the two main culprits, PM and mites, this stuff is organically fermented citric acid. Works pretty well against gnats and white flies too. You can spray this stuff in flower (I’ve done this personally) but watch out, if you use too much, I will burn the pistil hairs and turn them brown but this happened to me and a few days later they grew new ones and where nice and white again. The last one is suspend SC and this is NOT for your plants but you can spray all around your house/ grow room on floors and walls etc. this stuff works really well for all insects and leaves a barrier non-toxic to humans once drier but wreaks Havokk on pests for months after treatment.

Anyway, that’s some stuff I use with great results for IPM. Hope this helps and good luck!

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Lockeboxgrows said:

Awesome man that's a lot of great info and much appreciated. LOL you've got me kicking myself now because I remember very strongly in my mind the day I bought this insect killing soap there was a bottle of that doctor zymes on the shelf right below it. I've actually got to swing in that store after work tomorrow to get a bag of Happy frog for one of my transplants so I'll definitely check it out and see if they have any of that plant therapy too, very interested in that

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7munkee said:

What exactly are you trying to achieve here? Do you have an infestation of some kind or is this just a preventative measure? Personally, I'd look into something a little more biofriendly. Nematodes and or ladybugs for an infestation. sticky bug traps for the flyers that escape the ladybugs.

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bighempn said:

No prop brotha. Just be careful if you use the micronized wettable sulfur powder. The stuff I use, I get from my buddy at my hydro store so not sure of the brand but I only use 1-2 grams per gallon and I usually dunk my clones in it, let it dry for about a hr (no lights on ) and then wash it off. I do this mainly because I’ve had holes burned in my leaves once. Not the end of the world, but it did hurt them a bit and recovery slows growth in any case.

Plant therapy is a great maintenance ipm but does jack$#!¥ if you have an active infestation fyi. It will knock down the numbers of most pests but it’s not a be all-end all. Most products aren’t unless they are systemic though in my experience.

As for the doctor zymes, just be careful using it if plants are flowering. I sprayed on my last run during wk 3 in fear of russet mites returning and it burned the pistils and turned brown but after a few days a new set grew in and they were cool. It even says it on the bottle to wash after 1 hr to help prevent phytotoxicity. I ran it a bit too strong though because I’ve sprayed in flower before at weaker strength and had zero problems.
lol I know I sound redundant but trust, learn from my mistakes. Most pests get into your garden from you bring them in like on your clothes or on infested plants. Good luck!

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