Flowering Under 315 Cmh

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Update: re-reading HT's comparison, Boulder's 315s beat Gavita in lux as well as UVA/UVB (been told 315 uvb helps kill bugs and pm?). Also PAR is at 2 feet, and Gavita needs 6. 315s can be much closer, 8 inches I believe.
Gotta be higher PAR at canopy. Gotta be.

Anyway, here's chart again...

from
http://hightimes.com/grow/electric-sunshine-lighting-for-marijuana-grow-pt-1/

Bigjuice · Oct 3, 2016

i would run a test first maybe buy two units and see if they live up to the hype im going to test them myself if they bring the bills and heat down and yielding the same its a win

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Bigjuice said:
i would run a test first maybe buy two units and see if they live up to the hype im going to test them myself if they bring the bills and heat down and yielding the same its a win

For sure. Check that video I linked comparing 315 to 100w HPS. Its very well done. 3D charts, lab tested results, good data, legit comparison. 3x 315s VS 1k HPS on light mover (to be fair for spread, no one likes them of course). Eye opening.

Some people get cheap power, have lower heat due to location, etc. Please read up and check research, tests, videos, and contribute @Bigjuice . Important convo here. I used to totally disbelieve also.

Freshone · Oct 3, 2016

Hard to get good solid info on this tech,sorry funk but I know high times is not accurate with anything,if you advertise with them they say your great in articles,we all know that.i trust WS way more than hightimes,lol.
When I talked to Boulder they told me 5 315s over each 4x8 the to replace 2 1ks for a 20-25% electrical savings,thats a far cry from 3' centers.
I don't dispute anyone's claims because I don't know but their are a ton of different stories out there,just trying to figure it out and high times or YouTube videos are about as good a source as McDonald's commercials touting healthy food!

Bigjuice · Oct 3, 2016

Thats what im saying i never trust anything i prefer to do my own experiment and see i will be getting x2 maxibright daylight ballast with x2 Phillips 930 bulbs to replace one gavita 1000w de unit same strain consistent weight of 40oz off 4 plants ill find out if there all hype

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Freshone said:
Hard to get good solid info on this tech,sorry funk but I know high times is not accurate with anything,if you advertise with them they say your great in articles,we all know that.i trust WS way more than hightimes,lol.
When I talked to Boulder they told me 5 315s over each 4x8 the to replace 2 1ks for a 20-25% electrical savings,thats a far cry from 3' centers.
I don't dispute anyone's claims because I don't know but their are a ton of different stories out there,just trying to figure it out and high times or YouTube videos are about as good a source as McDonald's commercials touting healthy food!

TOTALLY respect skepticism~! Wait, you mean HT magazine has accepted money to casually half ass shill for bad stonertech?! Since when?!?
:D

Yeah, you get my own skepticism. The Omegatron was their "recommended new technology" or some such nonsense early 2000s. Imagine a bare HPS in the middle of a ferris wheel with plants in "seats" and when they get to bottom, the go through shallow reservoir of nutes. So tech~! Strongly recommended!
We checked one out in person in Emerald Triangle shop with one in window. Cutie working there said not one sold, and the chains broke, stopping ferris wheel, killing plants.

Store in Berkeley had latest stuff, including rooms showing basically fans with ballasts in arms and lights at blade ends. Ran cool, plants in store seemed happy, mixed spectrum, potential.
Except motor turning fan often broke, owner had endless returns, couldnt get comped for crap expensive gear, threw them in garbage as they were returned, went out of business.

LED ... is the lighting of tomorrow*

* (said 15 years ago at least, and regularly ever since... and yeah)

I don't believe in stonertech, for I am the Frizzle Fry.

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

From Solistek, just now:
"Thank you for contacting us, we appreciate your longtime support and interest in our CMH unit!

2. You may daisy chain (8) units on 240v or (4) units on 120v on a single 15 amp circuit.
3. This would require separate breakers to achieve.
4. We recommend Intermatic timers and are also currently in the works of our own digital lighting controller.
1 & 5. Here are some additional technical specs on our CMH including spectrum.

Our CMH unit comes with our same Ignition Control, Soft Start, and SenseSmart technologies that we introduced to this industry 6 years ago and is ultra high frequency.

Let us know if there's anything else we can assist you with, we look forward to being your choice for CMH!

Thank you,
SolisTek Staff"

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Ive looked for any reason this tech is bs for a full year, still only see positives from everywhere. Thus far. Maybe @We Solidarity can share his optimism and experience.

Ive seen 630 grown nugs that look perfect and smell good despite using Mills. Looked as good as anything around in a flooded market here. With Nectar for the Gods, it could have been unbeatable. Flavor didnt match rest of bag appeal evidently, but thats not 630s fault.

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Optimally, would love to do PAR test myself or at a shop.

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Bigjuice said:
Thats what im saying i never trust anything i prefer to do my own experiment and see i will be getting x2 maxibright daylight ballast with x2 Phillips 930 bulbs to replace one gavita 1000w de unit same strain consistent weight of 40oz off 4 plants ill find out if there all hype

FWIW, its encouraging that a quickly growing pool of light companies are going all in on 315. Not saying personal testing isn't more honest, valid, etc. Not at all. It just seems like everyone I know running them, all data I see (ignore HT, sure they're unreliable) seems to point to numerous advantages and a mature technology (Philips developed for car showrooms to emulatate natural light, gardeners late to using them)... not stoner tech like so much other hyped we've all seen and hate.

Hey, Im skeptical too. I just keep reading, seeing, hearing evidence 315s really work. Friends swear by them too. Ive seen amazing colas in weight. Still haven't heard anything negative, honestly, and I've looked. Ha

Savage Henry · Oct 3, 2016

Well, solistek appears to be doing it right, they're sold out of the 315 fixtures.

Edit: never mind they're on pre orders

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Savage Henry said:
Well, solistek appears to be doing it right, they're sold out of the 315 fixtures.

Edit: never mind they're on pre orders

Ballast manufacturers don't embrace every new technology. None of them I can think of have ever bothered with LEDs, for example.
DE is legit, Gavita led the way, some companies followed suit.
They don't ALL make every type. 315s seem to be embraced quickly.

I trust SolisTek from my experience. They assured my friend who runs a shop they can fulfill orders now. I just want to fully think it through before I commit to a dozen or 16 of any lamp....

Freshone · Oct 3, 2016

I wouldn't consider them if I didn't feel they had possibilities,hell even led cobs have huge possibilities but at what cost?Using Boulder lightings recommendation it takes 2.5 315s to replace 1 1k so roughly 1200-1500$ to replace something that cost 400?in order to justify that their needs to be other mitigating factors like energy savings,higher production,increased quality etc etc before I'm on the bandwagon.
I also wanna comment on the less heat/ac thing,i do have a SS lec in veg and that things throws more heat than an 8 bulb t5,maybe close to a 600!in all fairness the lec ballast is enclosed in the fixture which may contribute to it being hot though,other ballasts seem to be located where more ambient air can cool them.
Lots of good discussion in this thread.

Funkadelic · Oct 3, 2016

Freshone said:
I wouldn't consider them if I didn't feel they had possibilities,hell even led cobs have huge possibilities but at what cost?Using Boulder lightings recommendation it takes 2.5 315s to replace 1 1k so roughly 1200-1500$ to replace something that cost 400?in order to justify that their needs to be other mitigating factors like energy savings,higher production,increased quality etc etc before I'm on the bandwagon.
I also wanna comment on the less heat/ac thing,i do have a SS lec in veg and that things throws more heat than an 8 bulb t5,maybe close to a 600!in all fairness the lec ballast is enclosed in the fixture which may contribute to it being hot though,other ballasts seem to be located where more ambient air can cool them.
Lots of good discussion in this thread.

Thanks man. Agreed. I don't want to go all in on BS stonertech. My optimism stems from looking closely for any complaints or criticism (other than your point of entry cost, totally valid, and reinforces why thorough investigation required before dropping hard earned bills on something new... especially when "new lighting" has been total medicine show disaster for decades. Seriously).

16 (2 x 8 daisy chains) for 220v with Boulder Lights = 8 grand.
16 with new SolisTeks = $4800

Either requires careful planning. A friend of a friend went all in on a full large space full of brand new LED fixtures. Our mutual friend warned repeatedly not to, and they argued heatedly and often. And yeah, the LEDs sucked, dude took a huge bath, went back to re-buy all HPS units.
I aint into doing that.

stonestacker · Oct 3, 2016

Freshone said:
I also wanna comment on the less heat/ac thing,i do have a SS lec in veg and that things throws more heat than an 8 bulb t5,maybe close to a 600!in all fairness the lec ballast is enclosed in the fixture which may contribute to it being hot though,other ballasts seem to be located where more ambient air can cool them.
Lots of good discussion in this thread.

That's the kind of info I'm looking for.
I want to replace a 1K MH in veg with 2 315 lec. for a bigger light pattern. Do you think the lec would be cooler or about the same. The ballast for the 1K is not in my veg room.

Freshone · Oct 3, 2016

stonestacker said:
That's the kind of info I'm looking for.
I want to replace a 1K MH in veg with 2 315 lec. for a bigger light pattern. Do you think the lec would be cooler or about the same. The ballast for the 1K is not in my veg room.

In my limited(very)experience I'd guess 2 lecs would be very close to the heat of a 1k,maybe some of the other brands with ballasts outside the case would run cooler?not sure.
Before gavita i ran awings with Solis tek ballasts with alot of success so I'm a fan of the wings which in turn makes me like the design of the endomax 315s,lots of air circulating easily around bulb and ballast but that's purely speculative on my part.

Savage Henry · Oct 3, 2016

Freshone said:
Before gavita i ran awings

What size footprint did you run them with? I've been picturing putting 2 315s in an a-wing or two, the ballasts and adapter kits are like half the cost of a cmh fixture.

Freshone · Oct 3, 2016

4x4 basically with the 1ks and wings.

Funkadelic · Oct 6, 2016

Just found this, if anyone's interested ...

www.grobaldistributors.com/retrofit.php

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