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Recently had a discussion and I was corrected on a statement I made. It had to do with dark period before chop and the starches. I'm wondering if it has to do with starving the plant of nutrients results in extremely reduced production of starches etc. That are know to cause some harshness. This is where the claims of 24 he dark period comes into play.Anecdotal.. But I've always fed plain water for the last 10-14 days, every grow for the last 20 years and my pot always turns out clean, burns white ash and tastes great.
The last run I was reading a lot about this too so I decided to taper off near the end, but fed right to the last watering just to see if it really made a difference. My pot came out noticeably harsher, burned dark grey and keeps burning out. Flavour is somewhat masked and it tastes a bit chemmy. I am going back to flushing at the end.
Recently had a discussion and I was corrected on a statement I made. It had to do with dark period before chop and the starches. I'm wondering if it has to do with starving the plant of nutrients results in extremely reduced production of starches etc. That are know to cause some harshness. This is where the claims of 24 he dark period comes into play.
I can't help but be curious if this is linked. And if you are starving them the last week there would be no need or little need for a longer dark period at chop and vice versa if you feed all the way a longer dark period would/could reduce that harshness you are referring to but also allow optimal growth of buds.
Recently had a discussion and I was corrected on a statement I made. It had to do with dark period before chop and the starches. I'm wondering if it has to do with starving the plant of nutrients results in extremely reduced production of starches etc. That are know to cause some harshness. This is where the claims of 24 he dark period comes into play.
I can't help but be curious if this is linked. And if you are starving them the last week there would be no need or little need for a longer dark period at chop and vice versa if you feed all the way a longer dark period would/could reduce that harshness you are referring to but also allow optimal growth of buds.
Well a couple of years ago i ran 3 sets of known dialed in cuttings 3 times each test to compare all the forum stuff I read.
To note i grow in potting soil and err on the side of underfeeding so it is not usually necessary for me to leach pots to clear out salts often. I believe heavy feeders may benefit from water only last 2 weeks as they have more built up nutrients left in the soil.
As for water only last 2 weeks somewhat reduced yield, less color, smell and ultimately flavor when cured. Does smoke smoothest right after drying. (Faded, deficient plant less chlorophyll) some plants stayed green to the end anyway)
i like to keep them as healthy as possible to harvest but some plants fade regardless. But the purposely starved and faded plants had the worst results except they were not that harsh after drying.
Fed steady to last week and then water only to harvest left some plants harsh even after curing and some had reduced potency and even frost. The non harsh flowers were fine but still not my best work.
Plants fed as needed and tapered down in strength as they ripen (chosen method) and fed to the end if needed but at a low strength or water if plenty green and healthy consistantly gave more yield, bud structure, flavor, and smell. And most important potency. However this can extend the flowering time as the flowers go into “overdrive” and have late growth spurts that result in more yield as well as more layers of trichomes obviously visible in the side by sides.
Sorry i dont have pics. Some of this is in the 315 lec thread on riu. We did cmh vs super hps vs hortilux blue too.
And we have chosen to use grow ratio complete nutes to the end but tapered off and have ditched bloom pl heavy formulas all together. In fact they shorten flowering and yellow plants prematurely in my experience.
We did have patients blind test flowers through the process. As well as mrs. Mmg and me.
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Yeah you have to excuse me. I'm pretty dam high since I got home so in probably not making much sense. What I mean is by starving them that are not able to produce sugars and waste so less need for the dark period. I was kinda thinking aloud wondering if they are related. Basically wondering if you starve them they won't produce as much and if you fed longer and used a longer dark period would the result be the same.I dont know.. I usually do 36 hrs of dark before I chop and I did it on the last one too, and it still came out harsh. I was of the understanding that the dark period is because the plant shunts sugars and waste products out of the plant and into the media in the dark, and also THC and terpene production and content is at its peak at the end of the dark cycle, while some is volitalized with the lights on.
I agree... Flush doesn't actually reduce the nutrients to nothing. It lowers the overall feed. This is why I feel flushing in hydro is not at all needed.Taper, not flush. In soil some plants receive some nutrients right up to harvest, most plants receive nothing but plain water for 3 - 10 days or more, depends on what they want & need ?
I agree... Flush doesn't actually reduce the nutrients to nothing. It lowers the overall feed. This is why I feel flushing in hydro is not at all needed.
Yeah if they had been overfed nothing will pull it out. I feel the key is feeding just enough. But there are so many variables it's not easy to pinpoint one because they all effect each other. Personally I don't mind seeing some very minor deficiencies mid to late flower. Although I try to keep the nutrients just enough so as not to see them I would rather feed a tad to little than to much. In a big facility with a variety of strains, sizes of individual plants etc. That's not so easily accomplished. So flushing might be beneficial? The way I see it is even if you flush in soil they are still getting some nutrients.Again I'm not so sure.. My buddies that run drip hydro in a big LP kept getting customer complaints about their pot not burning properly and black ash etc, and that was with 3 days of straight water at the end.
They ended up having to go with 5 days of plain water at the end to get a product that didnt draw complaints.
And they cure their buds carefully in a climate controlled curing chamber. Buds still burned black.
This is one of those interesting subjects that has Avid proponents on both sides but little real science behind it. All I can do is grow based on personal experiences. And on that I feel i get the best product by feeding (not flushing) plain water for the last 2-3 waterings.
Yeah if they had been overfed nothing will pull it out. I feel the key is feeding just enough. But there are so many variables it's not easy to pinpoint one because they all effect each other. Personally I don't mind seeing some very minor deficiencies mid to late flower. Although I try to keep the nutrients just enough so as not to see them I would rather feed a tad to little than to much. In a big facility with a variety of strains, sizes of individual plants etc. That's not so easily accomplished. So flushing might be beneficial? The way I see it is even if you flush in soil they are still getting some nutrients.
I'm curious if you were using pure blend pro for these experiments? I have a pet theory that pbp being organic has much less of a detrimental effect feeding up to the end compared to feeding a standard mineral based nutrient. In fact it might even require it.
I will say, feeding floranova right to the end was no bueno.
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