Flushing is a bad practice based on flawed science.

Supercharge · Jul 22, 2014

In optimal conditions plants will take in from the environment what they need as they need it. All you have to do is provide it for them and provide the environmental conditions that facilitate this. Deficiencies of ANYthing at ANYtime will only have a negative impact on yield. Remember, life is literally programmed to reproduce first and foremost (and how good that can be, hehe) so the only way to get close to a “theoretical” maximum yield is providing a truly optimal environment, and this is virtually impossible. An environment devoid of nutrients is not an optimal environment.

Purpz · Jul 22, 2014

Why do you say that’s virtually impossible? I think CO2 can achieve pretty close.

Supercharge · Jul 22, 2014

Exactly. It can get pretty close, but where is that limit, where the plant could not get any heavier or more resinous for a given set of limited parameters, such as space and light. Temps would need to be perfect to 5 decimal places for every second of the day and would vary across different regions of the plant. Every square mm of every leaf would need the precise maximum intensity of light at optimum wavelengths. DO around each root hair would need to be 100% all the time. Same for CO2 at the stomata. Humidity perfect at root zone and stomata. Nutrient balance perfect. pH to 5 decimal places perfect. And music. Plants like classical music.

Supercharge · Jul 22, 2014

Then and only then could you begin to approach the numbers of TRUE MAXIMUM YIELD.

Supercharge · Jul 22, 2014

But achieving that perfection is going to stay firmly in the realms of theory for some time into the future.

Purpz · Jul 22, 2014

When you put it like that...I see that I need to be playing classical music to my plants lol
:p

WalterWhiteFire · Jul 22, 2014

Supercharge said:
Then and only then could you begin to approach the numbers of TRUE MAXIMUM YIELD.

Fuck yield. Grow some fire.

Supercharge · Jul 22, 2014

Do both.

WalterWhiteFire · Jul 22, 2014

I do.

WalterWhiteFire · Jul 22, 2014

But it involves flushing.

straincreation · Jul 22, 2014

Purpz said:
Why do you say that’s virtually impossible? I think CO2 can achieve pretty close.

How so the air isnt pumping around 1200 ppm of co2 all day?

yellowhead · Jul 22, 2014

Presumably he means added CO2..

william76 · Jul 22, 2014

straincreation said:
How so the air isnt pumping around 1200 ppm of co2 all day?

I'm sorry,but no scientific facts are goin to make me stop flushing,even for yield,some of us prefer quality to quantity,as do all true conesseurs,76

Rosenberg · Jul 22, 2014

At least to some extent, I think the taste differences people talk about are colored by subjective experience and confirmation bias.

Capulator · Jul 22, 2014

Seamaiden said:
Here's another point about 'real' farmers that many folks don't seem to think about--they don't normally push as much fertilizer into their crops as they can, they are usually teetering on a razor fine balance between being able to make a bit of profit and literally losing the farm. They already know that using too much "salts" the earth, making it useless for growing (which is why irrigation with aquifers and wells, aka groundwater, is so problematic over time) and that is just wa$ted money *and* water. Which is the other problem I have with how many cannabis cultivators do things, I think far too much water is wasted. I'm working on finding ways to reduce that footprint here at home, and right now I'm finding that cover crops may be one path.

I do have a question though. What are treachery elements?

Look in to hydroponics. 1/8 of the water used vs. conventional farming and can be recycled and reconditioned to re use.

@YarraSparra plants actually respond positively to stress (like drying out) when it comes to flowering. They will produce more flowers because they think they are dying and flowerign is how they reproduce. You can research watering techniques for yield.

N is what makes black ash as far as I know, and if you can get in to mixing your own salts, you can slowly remove some N in the ripening phase to give you a cleaner taste/ whiter ash.

yellowhead · Jul 22, 2014

Plants do respond to stress by increasing growth but being nutrient limited will also stunt them. No doubt they draw on carbohydrate reserves in the short term.

YarraSparra · Jul 23, 2014

I expected this might generate some heated discussion. :)

HG23 said:
Sea,

I believe Yarra meant tracheary elements. They are the two types of cells found in the xlyem.

Yes, typo, my bad. Thank you for pointing that out.

Mr_GreenGenes said:
And are you making a distinction between actual "flushing", which by most peeps definition is putting about 3 gals of water per gal of soil through the container or what some consider "flushing" which is really just easing off the nutes the last 10 days - 2 weeks and giving them water only, or are you considering both to be "flushing"? MGG

The latter is specifically what I'm talking about, as it starved the plants of nutrients right before harvest.

WalterWhiteFire said:
Fuck yield. Grow some fire.

You can do both, it doesn't have to be a trade off.

Capulator said:
Look in to hydroponics. 1/8 of the water used vs. conventional farming and can be recycled and reconditioned to re use.

@YarraSparra plants actually respond positively to stress (like drying out) when it comes to flowering. They will produce more flowers because they think they are dying and flowerign is how they reproduce. You can research watering techniques for yield.

Yes, plants will flower when stressed, but that not the way we aim to grow our plants. If we want stress-induced flowers, we would grow our plants in small pot, let them grow root-bound and starve them. They would flower for sure, but we would get SFA yield. If you're aiming for maximum yield, you want to aim for optimum growing conditions. No one should intentionally limit their plants in the hopes that they will somehow yield more.

Capulator · Jul 23, 2014

I am just talking about moisture in the root zone at this point. Kind of off topic but still is a form of stress. Good stress if you can master it. I want big ass stinky buds at the end over healthy green foliage plants.

YarraSparra · Jul 23, 2014

Rosenberg said:
At least to some extent, I think the taste differences people talk about are colored by subjective experience and confirmation bias.

Without a doubt. Expectation makes a big difference.

YarraSparra · Jul 23, 2014

Capulator said:
I am just talking about moisture in the root zone at this point. Kind of off topic but still is a form of stress. Good stress if you can master it. I want big ass stinky buds at the end over healthy green foliage plants.

You and I both (stinky buds vs. green foliage). Either way, whether you flush or not, moisture levels around the root zone should not differ..

Flushing is a bad practice based on flawed science.

Flushing is a bad practice based on flawed science.

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Flushing is a bad practice based on flawed science.

Flushing is a bad practice based on flawed science.

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